re: UPS Fires Hundreds Of Workers Who Defended Fired Colleague

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. Not to mention the threat of firing employees that had nothing to do with any of this

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due to lost revenue from a government not honoring its contracts

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due to lost revenue from a government not honoring its contracts

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I understand that, you understand that. But in the public arena, It's lose/lose. I don't see where UPS wins this.

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I hope all the new hires have a clause in their new hire paperwork requiring them not to join a union.

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Solid way to break federal law

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There's a lot of ignorance in this thread. How many of you union haters realize how much non-union labor benefits from unions? For example, if there's a union manufacturing plant in close proximity to a non-union plant in the same industry, the non-union plant typically compensates its worker a little more than the union plant in pay and benefits as an incentive to stay non-union. Without the presence of unions, non-union plants would have no incentive to do such things. Any thinking person familiar with history knows that if unions were abolished, labor would eventually backslide to the work conditions of a hundred years ago, because CEO's answer to their boards of directors, whose #1 concern is the bottom line, they don't answer to their laborers. It simply defies human nature to think that a corporation would ever treat its employees fairly over the long term out of a sense of altruism, because defies capitalism itself.

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You are so full of shite, I have seen the labor board bring the noise to companies for allowing employees to work through lunch at their decision, what do you t,hunk they would do to big companies that violate major labor laws?

I worked for an auto manufacture where there wasn't another plant within 400 miles. You get what you pay for. Welders, pipe fitters and electricians will still get what they make now. You would still have the competition with pay and the fight to keep it close between the companies so they will keep employees. Do you really think if all unions dry up that all of the earlier stated companies would say "hey were cutting pay 50%"? You don't need a bunch of entitled, uneducated democrats walking around demanding things for unskilled labor. The skilled labor will fair just fine.

It really is such an incredibly awesome response.

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ou don't need a bunch of entitled, uneducated democrats walking around demanding things for unskilled labor. The skilled labor will fair just fine.

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I hate to say it this way, but you don't know your arse from a hole in the ground.

Low bidder says hello. Non-union trades are making wadges from the 80's right about now. If any area in the work force needed unions, it's the trades.

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Unions can help in certain situations:

A mid-sized city has (basically) 1 hospital. It is owned by the city. There is a token "competitor" but the city hospital services 98% of the city.

The city hospital has been driving down wages of h.c. professionals for years. It has also been increasing work load...because it can. In a true free market, another hospital could open and compete BUT the city controls zoning so....there isn't going to be any real competition. H.C. workers are screwed.

In this case, IMO unions are appropriate. They can't just go work somewhere else.

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The union is an attempt to provide a solution to a government created problem, namely zoning restrictions/proof of need requirements (I've totally blanked on what this is called) to open a hospital in an area.

Oh and something I read today said that the fired worker who was the reason for this protest was fired for logging in early (prior to his shift) so that he could log over time and get paid more. I'll try to find a link.

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The workers, who are based in Queens, N.Y.,

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Guess they'll have to go to work with Doug Heffernan and Deacon over at IPS.

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Low bidder says hello. Non-union trades are making wadges from the 80's right about now.

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That's called the free market.

DWI.

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I hate to say it this way, but you don't know your arse from a hole in the ground. Low bidder says hello. Non-union trades are making wadges from the 80's right about now. If any area in the work force needed unions, it's the trades.

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Oh yeah? You really believe that if the unions disappeared tomorrow, wages for the trades would go down to 60s level? I a tradesman and neither my own company or the competition are unionized. We do just fine and the wages for qualifications is pretty close across the board. It's supply and demand and what people pay for you to do your job.

Now if the unions disappeared tomorrow, I'm sure a lot of the Cush things union employees get would go away, but they wouldn't get bumped to $7.25 and hr and have to work un safe for 300 hrs a week.