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re: **UPDATED*Full (Redacted) MAL Raid Affidavit(PDF of Redaction Filing + Link to Doc)
Posted on 8/28/22 at 3:43 pm to TGFN57
Posted on 8/28/22 at 3:43 pm to TGFN57
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how many times will you fall for "the election was stolen" before you realize you're being lied to?
How many “we got him” hoaxes has your dumbass fallen for the last six years?
There isn’t enough bandwidth on this board to post all of the absurd claims about Trump that people like you have repeatedly fallen for.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 5:09 pm to mmcgrath
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NO ONE, including all of Trump's minions, are making a claim that any of the documents were left in the SCIF when it was decommissioned on Jan 20th, 2021. All of the documents are claimed to have been (and admitted as such by Trump) boxed up and transported from the WH.
It is my understanding and I could be wrong that every former president has a scif as long as they are receiving briefings. This scif is under control of the secret service and is at the former presidents residence.
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The SCIF was decommissioned when he was no longer POTUS. There is never any evidence that the documents removed by Trump were ever placed in an active SCIF.
No, the scif was decommissioned as I understand it after Biden took away the top secret briefings that former presidents get. I should say the unprecedented action of taking away the former presidents briefings.
This is a minor point and not relevant to anything.
I could be wrong here. If I am, I apologize but this is my understanding.
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Which is NOT a SCIF. The Secret Service protects Hunter Biden. Do you think it is cool to store secret docs in his closet?
Again, and I could be wrong, but this area was the scif in the former presidents residence.
But again, kinda irrelevant to the case.
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Did I say he declassified anything? He hasn't even made that claim. That is on Kash Patel.
They say they turned over all documents that needed to be turned over. That means he didn't have any classified documents.
That means all the documents he had were declassified.
I really don't know what else to tell you.
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I am going to ignore this nonsense since it has been explained over and over.
Actually no, you are incorrect. Again, the president has control over what he says is presidential and personal.
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The courts said that Tom Fitton couldn't compel the National Archives or FBI to retrieve tapes from Clinton that the National Archives already determined were not presidential records. They were recordings made by someone Clinton personally hired to provide notes for his autobiography. You guys love to chase these horrible examples.
Actually that is not what they said. Did you read the case? Now I am not a lawyer but I stayed at holiday inn express? Is that the right spot? Anyways, the dismissed the case.
The case was dismissed because even if everything the person said was true, no dice.
The main thing was that even if the archive felt the records were presidential records, the former president felt they were private and there is no way for the archive to change the classification of a document as presidential or personal.
That means that even if the archive felt the documents were presidential and he felt the need to archive them, he couldn't because he there was no remedy in the PRA to allow him to change a classification by the former president.
That is the part that carries over. The fact that the president considered these his personal records and the archive felt they were presidential.
The archives is not able to argue that classification and therefore had no right to seize the documents.
So, let me make is simple for you. The case found that the PRA did not allow and no law allowed the archive the right to seize documents that the president classified as personal even if the archive felt the records were presidential.
So explain to me why if the archive lacked the ability to grab documents it felt was presidential in that case how could they grab documents that it felt was presidential here.
And just to be clear here, the archive never determined the documents to be personal. Clinton did. That is the crux. The law does not allow the archive to question the classification of documents as personal.
This post was edited on 8/28/22 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:40 pm to VoxDawg
Like the steaming pile that gateway pundit, oan and the rest of maggat propaganda organs regurgitate daily?
Any new krakens coming?
Any new krakens coming?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:41 pm to TGFN57
You are a big Stelter fan huh?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:53 pm to TGFN57
As opposed to what? Your lying POS main stream media lol
Sheep
Sheep
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:57 pm to ElChapo
Is it just me or is this a completely political push to prevent Donald Trump from running for president? If they have not found anything new and diabolical, everyone should be able to admit this is nothing more than a political ruse
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:05 pm to thetempleowl
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It is my understanding and I could be wrong that every former president has a scif as long as they are receiving briefings. This scif is under control of the secret service and is at the former presidents residence.
...
No, the scif was decommissioned as I understand it after Biden took away the top secret briefings that former presidents get. I should say the unprecedented action of taking away the former presidents briefings.
This is a minor point and not relevant to anything.
I could be wrong here. If I am, I apologize but this is my understanding.
The SCIF was decommissioned when Trump left office. The affidavit says as such by saying there was no suitable place for storage since Jan 20, 2021.
quote:You just made 2 leaps of assumptions in a single response. In the first statement you say that Trump turned over "all" documents. Do you know that Trump merely said "most", not all?
They say they turned over all documents that needed to be turned over. That means he didn't have any classified documents.
That means all the documents he had were declassified.
I really don't know what else to tell you.
So you can't make the leap to 'didn't have any documents, much less classified documents. Which rules your third leap not even worthy of consideration.
quote:Over and over again, NO. The National Archives determines this.
Actually no, you are incorrect. Again, the president has control over what he says is presidential and personal.
quote:Your reading of the case is completely wrong. The National Archives determined that the records were personal, as any sain person would. Having said that, even if the didn't, Tom Fitton could not through civil cases compell them to seize the tapes even if they decided otherwise.
Actually that is not what they said. Did you read the case? Now I am not a lawyer but I stayed at holiday inn express? Is that the right spot? Anyways, the dismissed the case.
The case was dismissed because even if everything the person said was true, no dice.
The main thing was that even if the archive felt the records were presidential records, the former president felt they were private and there is no way for the archive to change the classification of a document as presidential or personal.
Tom Fitton tried to us we the system in his favor and failed miserably. And I am someone who used the same laws to hold public leaders accountable by the same laws.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:27 pm to TGFN57
Without the legacy media running cover for the crimes of the DS swampers, their endeavors would've crashed and burned decades ago.
America first doesn't need a complicit criminal media to resonate with the people.
America first doesn't need a complicit criminal media to resonate with the people.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:51 pm to SDVTiger
Jesus no. The guy is a goofy clown.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 10:00 pm to VoxDawg
It resonates with neck dumbasses that desperately seek any maggaoutlet to support their beliefs. It doesn't matter to them that every "kraken" turns into a shite sandwich. They just ask for seconds.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 10:47 pm to TGFN57
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It doesn't matter to them that every "kraken" turns into a shite sandwich. They just ask for seconds.
We got him this time?
Posted on 8/29/22 at 7:45 am to SDVTiger
He was his personal fluffer and now he is out of a job.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 10:00 am to mmcgrath
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Over and over again, NO. The National Archives determines this.
And how have these disputes usually been resolved?
Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:07 am to mmcgrath
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Over and over again, NO. The National Archives determines this.
No.
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Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion, see44 U.S.C. § 2203(b), so the Deputy Archivist could not and did not make a classification decision that can be challenged here.
Jesus Christ. It's right there. The Presidents decides personal or presidential and the archive had no ability to challenge the decision.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:07 am to jawnybnsc
So let me get this straight. They spend 2 pages (Pages 4-6) talking about how potential witnesses could be harmed or targeted on social media sites and show safety concerns for potential witnesses.
But Supreme Court Justices Homes are fair game?
Am I missing something here?
But Supreme Court Justices Homes are fair game?
Am I missing something here?
Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:47 am to VoxDawg
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Without the legacy media running cover for the crimes of the DS swampers, their endeavors would've crashed and burned decades ago.
America first doesn't need a complicit criminal media to resonate with the people.
This. One of the most obvious reasons to really be suspicious of the Left. Why do you have to lie? Why do you have to suppress information? Why doesn't your message resonate on it's own?
Posted on 8/29/22 at 2:09 pm to lsu13lsu
If it were hopeless, their propaganda would be unnecessary.
If they were in control, their awkward, flailing attempts to advance their agenda would have results.
If they were truly the majority, they wouldn't need to hammer us with the false narrative of their "victory".
If they were in control, their awkward, flailing attempts to advance their agenda would have results.
If they were truly the majority, they wouldn't need to hammer us with the false narrative of their "victory".
Posted on 8/29/22 at 2:26 pm to thetempleowl
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Jesus Christ. It's right there. The Presidents decides personal or presidential and the archive had no ability to challenge the decision.
Some of the idiots TDSers are wishing so hard that they want to believe that an Archive bureaucrats out ranks the CIC and President.
Meanwhile the same "intelligence" division hacks who helped peddle the Russia hoax with Hillary's Pee Pee Dossier are trying to hide their dirty deeds in the Crossfire Hurricane documents by taking them out of Trump's hands.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:35 pm to Auburn1968
This all honestly feels like a shittty episode of Homeland.
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