re: **UPDATED*Full (Redacted) MAL Raid Affidavit(PDF of Redaction Filing + Link to Doc)

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God, you’re just an idiot in every single post

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It never ceases to amaze me that posters like yourself feel compelled to reply yet never offer any counter besides an insult. Are you really that frustrated that you can't debate even the most simple of topics?

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More likely his aides used the SCIF to view stuff then met Trump out by the pool to brief him.

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Again I will ask where did the staff store classified docs when they were at Mar a Lago? Maybe a safe located on property? Maybe a secured room? What makes the place they stored the docs during the presidency less secure than it is now? I don’t want to hear anymore shite about the docs being labeled Top Secret, Classified, or Confidential. The US government has used this classification system to hide some really nasty things they have done for as long as they possibly can. You think what they did in Tuskegee needed to be hidden for 40 years? Why are they still not willing to release JFK docs when the shooter was just one angry commie? What’s the threat to national security with such a basic plot? I could careless about Trump. I care more about the DC cabal using these labels to protect themselves from prosecution under the guise of national security. Steele docs could be labeled top secret because it was supposed human intelligence which is always labeled top secret to protect the asset. We all now know those were made up. Doesn’t mean they were reclassified as bullshite does it?

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A SCIF is a special room to view classified documents. You don't store paper copies of documents there and the FPOTUS would never have been allowed to take documents out of a SCIF in Mar a Lago.

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Actually, the president kept many records in his scif.

The papers he stored in his scif he had previously declassified when he removed them from the white house.

And since biden excluded him from getting current updates, he wasn't getting any new classified documents.

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FPOTUS stole documents from the WH then tried to hide them, only returning some stuff at a time in January and June.

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Really? Says who?

He took boxes of records from the white house when he left. He says he declassified them all.

Since all he needs to do is say I declassify these records in an empty room and they are declassified, it is impossible to tell otherwise.

This is why this kind of action never took place against another president. It is lunacy.

The absolute idiocy of this is that the fbi wasn't asking for the documents. The national archives were.

The national archives wanted Trump to turn over additional records to them.

Do you know who gets to decide which documents the national archives can get?

The former president.

All that needs to happen is for Trump to say these records are not yours and poof, there goes anything the national archives can do.

That is why when a president refuses to turn things over to the national archives, it is not a criminal case. It is a civil case.

It is a civil case which can get dismissed by the former president simple saying that in keeping this records, these are my personal records.

So the fbi going in and grabbing these records are in my opinion, way out of bounds.

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Actually, the president kept many records in his scif.

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Please link. I have never seen that mentioned. In fact the affidavit reveals that there is no place suitable to store classified documents at Mar a Lago

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The papers he stored in his scif he had previously declassified when he removed them from the white house.

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So now you are claiming that the documents removed from the WH were moved into a SCIF that doesn't exist, and weren't actually stored in the storage area that Trump had a single lock on?

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And since biden excluded him from getting current updates, he wasn't getting any new classified documents.

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No one is arguing that he did. He got everything he could in December and January before he left office.

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FPOTUS stole documents from the WH then tried to hide them, only returning some stuff at a time in January and June.

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Really? Says who?

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Says the affidavit and search warrant that Trump and friends claimed they wanted released before they were released.

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He took boxes of records from the white house when he left. He says he declassified them all.

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There is zero evidence that he did.

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Since all he needs to do is say I declassify these records in an empty room and they are declassified, it is impossible to tell otherwise.

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Even if he did, which no one seriously believes, he still can't take the documents with him since they are government records and don't belong to him.

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This is why this kind of action never took place against another president. It is lunacy.

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That or no other President since Nixon tried to take home government records that didn't belong to them.

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The absolute idiocy of this is that the fbi wasn't asking for the documents. The national archives were.

The national archives wanted Trump to turn over additional records to them.

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The FBI was actively involved in talking to Trump to get the documents returned. The affidavit has records of Trump's legal counsel and DOJ writing back and forth to each other in May.

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Do you know who gets to decide which documents the national archives can get?

The former president.

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Where do you get this nonsense? The National Archives makes that determination. Please cite where you think the FPOTUS has that authority.

He did at the time of the raid.

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The papers he stored in his scif he had previously declassified when he removed them from the white house.

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VoxDawg posted a link of a press release that Trump signed on 1/19/21. In the press release Trump redacted parts of the Russian investigation.

He had that document with him. That is just a classified document we know he had that wasn’t declassified.

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This is my final determination under the declassification review and I have directed the Attorney General to implement the redactions proposed in the FBI's January 17 submission and return to the White House an appropriately redacted copy. My decision to declassify materials within the binder is subject to the limits identified above and does not extend to materials that must be protected from disclosure pursuant to orders of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court and does not require the disclosure of certain personally identifiable information or any other materials that must be protected from disclosure under applicable law. Accordingly, at my direction, the Attorney General has conducted an appropriate review to ensure that materials provided in the binder may be disclosed by the White House in accordance with applicable law

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In that press release Trump also talks about a declassification review. He doesn’t need a review to declassify, but there is a review process of declassified info.

LINK

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Please link. I have never seen that mentioned. In fact the affidavit reveals that there is no place suitable to store classified documents at Mar a Lago

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The room where the documents were kept were considered his scif until Biden took away his classified briefings which has never been done before.

And the fbi previously asked him to place an extra lock on the door, which he did.

And, this is really important for you to understand, there were no classified documents there. Trump had declassified them.

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So now you are claiming that the documents removed from the WH were moved into a SCIF that doesn't exist, and weren't actually stored in the storage area that Trump had a single lock on?

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I am claiming that when trump moved the unclassified documents out of the white house, they were moved to a scif. The scif did exist at that point. When biden took away his top secret briefings, the scif label went away.

And the documents were stored in a storage area guarded by the secret service and had a double lock on it as the fbi requested.

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No one is arguing that he did. He got everything he could in December and January before he left office.

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Then you agree he had no classified documents! That was easy. I knew you would come around to our side. Since you know Trump could declassify anything he wanted to and he said he declassified those document.

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FPOTUS stole documents from the WH then tried to hide them, only returning some stuff at a time in January and June.

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They took documents from the white house that the national archives wanted returned.

I guess we will have to wait and see what is decided as to see whether trump could have kept them...

Oh, no that is correct. There is this little thing here...

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the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion

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Jeez, it sounds like when the president says something is private and the archives say something is presidential record, well they do have a way to settle this.

The former president gets to decide.

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There is zero evidence that he did.

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I hate to say it, but to say there is no evidence that I didn't kill someone doesn't matter.

You need to prove he did do something. And since the president can declassify any document at any time, never has there ever been a case when former presidents were raided and personal documents were taken.

Because everyone knows you can't prove he didn't declassify them. And he decides what is personal and what is a presidential record.

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That or no other President since Nixon tried to take home government records that didn't belong to them.

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Actually many of the rules regarding this were made after Nixon left the whitehouse.

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The FBI was actively involved in talking to Trump to get the documents returned. The affidavit has records of Trump's legal counsel and DOJ writing back and forth to each other in May.

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You understand the fbi and the doj had no right to get involved, correct?

Trump was trying to be nice by talking with them but they had no right to get involved.

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Where do you get this nonsense? The National Archives makes that determination. Please cite where you think the FPOTUS has that authority.

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No, they simply store it. They can request additional information that the president has taken. But ultimately the former president is the arbiter.

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The court ruled that the National Archives and Records Administration had no power to “seize control of them” because Mr. Clinton had used his authority under the Presidential Records Act to declare the recordings part of his personal records.

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Here is a little about the case...

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The tug of war began as a quest by the National Archives, and then the Justice Department, to take control of the material. They claim the documents are presidential records — some of them classified and top secret — and not personal records.

“What it highlights is that under the law, and the Justice Department’s prior legal positions, if Clinton had the tapes, they are presumably personal,” Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, told The Washington Times. His group filed an unsuccessful lawsuit seeking the Clinton recordings.

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OMG. The doj tried to get involved. They said he had classified and top secret documents.

But the courts said no dice.

They said they could not go in and seize things from the president. Like the doj and fbi did in this case. Even though they couldn't in this exact same court case. Except clinton had them in a sock drawer. And not a locked room.

Wow. sounds like the case we have here except this time its (D)ifferent. Clinton was a democrat.

Jesus dude, are you even aware of the incorrect stuff you are spouting?

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The room where the documents were kept were considered his scif until Biden took away his classified briefings which has never been done before.

And the fbi previously asked him to place an extra lock on the door, which he did.

And, this is really important for you to understand, there were no classified documents there. Trump had declassified them.

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NO ONE, including all of Trump's minions, are making a claim that any of the documents were left in the SCIF when it was decommissioned on Jan 20th, 2021. All of the documents are claimed to have been (and admitted as such by Trump) boxed up and transported from the WH.

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I am claiming that when trump moved the unclassified documents out of the white house, they were moved to a scif. The scif did exist at that point. When biden took away his top secret briefings, the scif label went away.

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The SCIF was decommissioned when he was no longer POTUS. There is never any evidence that the documents removed by Trump were ever placed in an active SCIF.

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And the documents were stored in a storage area guarded by the secret service and had a double lock on it as the fbi requested.

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Which is NOT a SCIF. The Secret Service protects Hunter Biden. Do you think it is cool to store secret docs in his closet?

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Then you agree he had no classified documents! That was easy. I knew you would come around to our side. Since you know Trump could declassify anything he wanted to and he said he declassified those document.

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Did I say he declassified anything? He hasn't even made that claim. That is on Kash Patel.

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Jeez, it sounds like when the president says something is private and the archives say something is presidential record, well they do have a way to settle this.

The former president gets to decide.

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I am going to ignore this nonsense since it has been explained over and over.

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OMG. The doj tried to get involved. They said he had classified and top secret documents.

But the courts said no dice.

They said they could not go in and seize things from the president. Like the doj and fbi did in this case. Even though they couldn't in this exact same court case. Except clinton had them in a sock drawer. And not a locked room.

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The courts said that Tom Fitton couldn't compel the National Archives or FBI to retrieve tapes from Clinton that the National Archives already determined were not presidential records. They were recordings made by someone Clinton personally hired to provide notes for his autobiography. You guys love to chase these horrible examples.

ROFLMAO...no more of a big letdown than you might have. So, lolol, how many times will you fall for "the election was stolen" before you realize you're being lied to?

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So you are comparing furniture, which was paid for or returned within weeks, to classified documents?

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Ah. I see now. If Trump would have kept the documents in his sock drawer, it would have aligned with the Clinton precedent. Boy, you dems are soooo clever!