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re: United Methodist Church special session this week
Posted on 2/19/19 at 2:51 pm to SSpaniel
Posted on 2/19/19 at 2:51 pm to SSpaniel
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Which ones? I'm curious, not in any way doubting you.
Village Church in DFW is elder rule (they got in a big tussle a few years back when a missionary couple had to come home after the husband admitted to child porn, he was "sent to therapy" while she was "disciplined" for annulling the marriage without asking the elders first--after getting a ton of bad press they reversed their decision and allowed her to leave the congregation).
Fellowship Church is "trustee" led--but the trustees are Ed "The Bed" Young Jr. and his running buddies so he calls all the shots.
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 2:53 pm to tarzana
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The general consensus was the SBC was autonomous and if the congregation agreed to let it happen they could.
This is true, and the national and state conventions and local association can also decide to disassociate with them. It doesn't affect their autonomy, just their affiliation.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 2:55 pm to NPComb
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A person very close to me goes to a UMC. A bible is barely cracked. They are very liberal and speak directly of progressive politics. It’s like Man In The Castle for religion. When I left I literally felt disgusted.
If a church is quoting less Scripture on a Sunday than Joel Osteen, that's NOT a good sign.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 2:57 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Just a question for the room, but what are Orthodox services like?
I knew a man who was Coptic Orthdox (Egyptian). They have men and women sitting on opposite sides of whatever they term their auditorium. And their services are at least two hours long.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:04 pm to FooManChoo
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No, David was not a homosexual. No, David did not commit homosexuality with his dear friend Jonathan. They were close as brothers, not lovers. Nothing in the Bible says anything about a homosexual relationship between David and Jonathan. What it does describe is a bond and closeness that they two had as friends. The implication that David was a homosexual (in spite of taking many wives, including having a man killed so that he could have his wife, Bathsheba) is laughable and a forcing of modern views into the text.
Same tactic used by "historians" to argue that Alexander Hamilton and John Laurens were lovers.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:08 pm to Quidam65
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Village Church in DFW is elder rule (they got in a big tussle a few years back when a missionary couple had to come home after the husband admitted to child porn, he was "sent to therapy" while she was "disciplined" for annulling the marriage without asking the elders first--after getting a ton of bad press they reversed their decision and allowed her to leave the congregation).
That's all kinds of messed up. "Sent to therapy?" Why not put in jail? "Disciplined" for not asking the elders? Tell the "elders" to go pound sand.
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Fellowship Church is "trustee" led--but the trustees are Ed "The Bed" Young Jr. and his running buddies so he calls all the shots.
Ed "The Bed"...
Why?
I used to like him. He got weird, though. Still like his dad.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:09 pm to bucknut
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Why aren't any of you joining your local KJV/fundamental church?
Because the Fort Worth Star Telegram reported that IB's have the same problem that the SBC has in moving around predators.
So I can join an IB church and worry about my grandson being victimized by a predator, plus get some dude looking like he stepped out of a time machine from the 1950's yelling at me the whole time quoting 17th century English, while listening to 18th century music. OR join an SBC church, get the same worries, but with better music and more understandable translations.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:14 pm to SSpaniel
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Ed "The Bed"... Why?
Because when he preached about sex, he and his wife would have a bed on the roof of their church (which anyone flying into DFW Airport could see). Google it and have fun.
I have personal history with them and will not go back. Told them a few years ago to terminate my membership.
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That's all kinds of messed up. "Sent to therapy?" Why not put in jail? "Disciplined" for not asking the elders? Tell the "elders" to go pound sand.
It gets worse. They recently had an incident where a child was molested at an offsite camp. They tried to keep it quiet (people thought maybe it was someone from the camp who did it, and there was an active investigation). Then it was revealed that it was a staffer, who was let go for "alcohol abuse" (when it was really for molestation).
Their pastor also has a history of taking sides against police officers whenever there's a claim of brutality (no matter what the circumstance, such as Ferguson), at least one officer's family moved elsewhere.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:47 pm to bucknut
quote:I don't think anyone actually knows what the "only true church" is. The Roman Catholics say that title belongs to them, while the Eastern Orthodox churches say they are, and then you have any number of denominations that think they are right.
The only true church is a fundamental baptist church.
I think the truth is that no one has it completely "right" in every aspect and with proper emphasis. We have the scriptures preserved for us so that we can read and learn but our sinful natures impact even our minds, so we don't comprehend fully. I'd ask you to continue to seek the truth in the scriptures and pray that God will reveal error to you in your own understanding (if you have any) and to continue to seek God's will in all things.
quote:That's not very charitable to our brothers and sisters in Christ. I would say that they have a kinship with Jews/Zionists due to their eschatology. I don't agree with their views but I couldn't say that they "worship" Jews/Zionists.
Southern baptists worship Zionists and Jews.
quote:Yeah, but that's happening in many denominations. Liberalism has crept into the Church on all sides and it's a constant fight to keep the wolves from eating the sheep. In regards to your own denomination: "you who stand, take heed lest you fall". It's incumbent on all Christians to hold their leaders accountable to the truth.
You see what's happening at methodist churches.
quote:I'm very pleased to hear (read) that your denomination still seeks to hold fast to the truth as it was delivered long ago, but many denominations would say that. Mine would. It's very important that every local body seek to know the scriptures and to conform our lives to that of Christ rather than conforming ourselves (and our churches) to the world.
Fundamental baptist churches believe the fundamental foundational doctrines of the Bible. Because the times have changed, and churches seem to be ever-changing in their beliefs, the word fundamental is used to state that we still believe in the original principals and truths taught by the Bible. Even today, what's right is still right, and what's wrong is still wrong.
quote:God did promise to preserve His word but I don't think the KJV is what He had in mind. I don't wish to get into an argument specific to the KJV-only controversy, I'll just say that there are many valid arguments as to why it is not an inspired translation and the only one valid for reading in English. It also includes the Apocrypha, which most Protestants don't agree belongs in the canon of scripture.
We believe that the King James Bible from the year 1611 is the only pure and perfect preservation of the Bible in the English language. We take the King James Bible to be the perfect Word of God. God promised that He would preserve His Word.
quote:I'm a Calvinist (just a description of my belief that the Bible teaches that our will is in bondage to sin and we have to rely entirely on God to save us and keep us until the end) and believe some things that are very different than what your denomination believes. However, based on your profession of faith, I believe you are a brother in Christ and hope to see you one day in Heaven as we partake in the marriage feast of the Lamb
Why aren't any of you joining your local KJV/fundamental church?
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:56 pm to oldtimefootball
quote:You could argue that congregational churches ("autonomous" congregations who are under no other authority) are only as good as their current leadership. You can have a really solid preacher/pastor that retires and your search committee gets fooled by a wolf who comes in and completely changes the church over time. I have some experience with that, actually.
A Southern Baptist Church is your answer to unhappy Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians and anybody else.
Autonomous local churches owned by the membership; priesthood of the believer meaning you don't need a
go-between between you and God
I'm personally preferential to the Presbyterian style of church government as it has checks and balances in place to help keep error from creeping in but doesn't make one sinner the "head" of the church (only Christ is the head, btw). I believe the example of that sort of church government is found in Acts 15.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 5:16 pm to FooManChoo
My family attends Church of the Resurrection...the largest Methodist church in the country. We had doubts about going to a mega church when moving to KC, but found it and Reverend Hamilton to be exceptional. I'm shocked to hear some of you say that a bible is never cracked in your church etc. Nothing could be further from the truth in ours. Reverend Hamilton is favoring the One Church view for the conference and is blogging about it leading up to this weekend. If you would like you can follow along.
LINK
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 5:20 pm to Shotgun Willie
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Reverend Hamilton is favoring the One Church view
You should run away from that church as fast as your legs will let you.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 5:42 pm to Shotgun Willie
Your pastor sounds like a loon that has no business leading a church.
Get your family away
Get your family away
Posted on 2/19/19 at 6:45 pm to Shotgun Willie
quote:If you are OK with that, then OK. But you should be into the word enough to have your own opinion and not be told what to think. A mega church going the safe route and hedging their bet as to what the General Conference is going to decide is a safe bet. Wednesday next would be my last day there if what I think is going to happen, happens.
Reverend Hamilton is favoring the One Church view
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:14 pm to Diamondawg
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But you should be into the word enough to have your own opinion and not be told what to think.
I never said I was or wasn't going with what he was saying in my post. I might, but all I was doing was posting info for his blog from the preacher from the largest Methodist church in the country for people to get his view.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:05 pm to tilco
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I’m 37 and have been an Episcopalian all my life. Having kids and becoming aware of the world we live in has me finally questioning shite. I used to think the “we welcome all” attitude of the Church was a good thing. Now I’m not so sure.
Stayed in as long as as I could.
Few believed it at the time but adopting the 1979 Common Prayer Book "on an experimental basis" and "purely voluntary basis" was merely subterfuge to do away with the older Prayer Books which were theologically conservative, traditional, and "common" in the sense that they were descendants of the original Prayer Book put together be Bishop Cranmer.
Cranmer' work itself was descended from far older Christian liturgies thereby maintaining continuity with the ancient Church's liturgy and theology and was essentially 70 % directly from Scripture.
The Parishes were basically forced to abandon a liturgy they had used for generations in daily and weekly worship, in marriage rites, in baptisms, in confirmations, and for the burial of our dead and forced adopt the unwanted and unwarranted changes of the 1979 aberration.
Many argued at the time that the changes made in 1979 were inimical to orthodox belief and worship and would result in precisely what we've seen happen in the American Episcopal denomination.
Couple that with the weeding out of conservative, traditional, and orthodox priests and bishops through heavy handed control of the denomination's seminaries and we have the disaster you've been experiencing.
I don't know where you are, but if you're reasonably close to Baton Rouge there's a solid Anglican Church that meets at a chapel on Chimes Street near the LSU campus.
If you're elsewhere I can get you some links to solid Churches for you and your family.
Prayers and best wishes.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:17 pm to SOSFAN
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Homosexuality is a biological trait
Hey, brah, just because YOUR Daddy told you so don't make it so.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:26 pm to SOSFAN
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Jesus's message was quite simple yet man tries to keep making it complex.
You seem to have a solid grasp of Reformist Christian theology, perhaps you should consider creating your own new Church?
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:33 pm to Quidam65
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Then I learned they were teaching what I consider heresy.
This is an interesting story. Can you share with us the heresy?
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:41 pm to bucknut
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We believe that the King James Bible from the year 1611 is the only pure and perfect preservation of the Bible in the English language.
That is a minority view among Protestants but, that translation of the Bible is perfectly fine, IMHO.
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