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re: United Methodist Church closing 26 churches in Alabama: declining attendance
Posted on 6/30/25 at 5:02 pm to Harald Ekernson
Posted on 6/30/25 at 5:02 pm to Harald Ekernson
quote:They worshipped all sorts of false gods, which is why God punished them over and over again. Christianity was a continuation and fulfillment of God's revelation to the people of Israel, which condemned idolatry.
Buddy, the ancient Israelites worshipped a female deity. How many of them worshipped her, I don’t know, but it was widespread for well over 1000 years. That includes all the cultures around them such as Egyptians, Babylonians, and the Canaanites from which they descended.
quote:There were heretical gnostics that believed many false things, including that Jesus didn't have a real, physical body. That wasn't Christianity, and it was condemned by the Church according to the very word of God.
The early Christians, at least some of them - how many we do not know - continued to worship that female deity. Sorry the truth hurts maybe to you, but there exists the quote of the Gospel of the Hebrews that calls the Holy Spirit Jesus’ mother. The gospel of Philip describes the error (in the author’s opinion) of other Christians worshipping the Holy Spirit as a male deity, arguing that the Holy Spirit is a “woman”. The Quran mentions the idolatry of Christians who worship Jesus and the mother of Jesus as deities (and that they should be worshipping only the one true God).
quote:The reason why Maracionism and Arianism were condemned as heresies is because they were against the clear teachings of the revelation of God as contained in the Scriptures. That's what was determined by the early Councils and those recognitions of truth are accurate even today.
They formulated a rationalization of multiple seemingly contradictory ideas about the nature of God the father and Jesus (and later the Holy Spirit). For hundreds of years the majority of Christians on earth believed what you might call God the Father was not Jesus’ father (Marcionites) which differed from the earlier Pauline Christianity that believed Jesus was the Lord (YHWH). Later majorities of Christian believed God the Father and Jesus were separate (Arianism). Call what they decided and voted on and agreed on at the councils of Nicaea and Constantinople whatever you want.
quote:Several of his views/teachings were condemned as heretical, making him a heretic.
So Origen was NOT a heretic?
quote:They also were heretics due to the false teachings about essential Christian truths that they taught.
Do you know anything of Marcion and Arius? Just wondering if you think those are or aren’t heretics.
quote:You can put those things in the same bucket in your mind if you want, but the biblical evidence supporting each one is vastly different.
I put young earth creationism in the same bucket as flat earth. Both conspiracy theories are rooted in the Bible but easily debunked by elementary science.
A commonly held belief that existed for thousands of years doesn't fall into the camp of "conspiracy theory", though.
quote:Again, you said that Christianity has its roots in what Christianity considers false teachings, with the only evidence provided, recognition that many OT Israelites worshipped false gods (the Bible admits that and condemned it), and a few fragments of writings that went counter to the Bible and vast majority of early Christian theologians.
So? What’s your point?
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 5:04 pm to RollTide1987
quote:How can Catholics claim Protestants are lacking in correct theology when they don't even know what they believe, themselves? The answer is: they rely on their own church leaders to tell them what is true.
This is true. However, the Catholic is more likely to be lacking in knowledge while the Protestant is lacking correct theology.
I'll judge true teaching according to the word of God, which alone is infallible.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 5:18 pm to Snipe
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Probably should not have rejected the word of God.
My Pastor commented last night that the fall of all these denominations started with the acceptance of allowing women to assume the roles of Lead Pastor.
Everyone of them started the slippery slope from that deviation from Scripture
Posted on 6/30/25 at 7:44 pm to riccoar
This is true. There are “catholic” churches. Little c, out in California that have embraced equality and diversity over scripture and they look exactly like what you think I they would look like. They call themselves catholic to make it seem like they have liberated the true church of Christ Jesus but they are only dens of Satan. Leading misguided people straight to hell.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 8:15 pm to FooManChoo
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They worshipped all sorts of false gods, which is why God punished them over and over again
I kind of forgot what we had been talking about. Hey look it’s difficult to fathom all those Israelite elders and patriarchs meeting and seeing God face to face, seeing his power, seeing him strike their own people dead, and then worshipping what you call “false” gods. I have no doubt they thought those other gods were real and had power too.
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Christianity was a continuation and fulfillment of God's revelation to the people of Israel, which condemned idolatry
Friend, I think you are mistaken. The first Christians believed the high priest in Jerusalem was an imposter and that the temple was corrupt and that the scriptures preserved in Jerusalem were not the correct scriptures. They looked forward to the temple’s destruction. If you are calling the Jewish Bible the revelation to the people of Israel, I think the first Christians would tell you that what became the Masoretic Text of the Pharisees is not the entire revelation from God and it is corrupted.
There’s a book that hardly anyone knows about except flat earthers - it’s called the book of Enoch - that was a foundational book for Christian thought and in it Enoch prophecizes and laments how the Jerusalem temple kicked out the female deity spirit of Wisdom and so she went back up to heaven with the rest of God’s angels. She found no house in which to dwell - it reads as if they are saying the priests in Jersusalem are mistaken.
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There were heretical gnostics that believed many false things, including that Jesus didn't have a real, physical body. That wasn't Christianity
Are you not committing the no true Scotsman fallacy? I’ve met people like you who claim that others who don’t share their exact beliefs about Jesus aren’t real Christians. About Jesus’ body- many Christians believed Jesus’ body was not flesh but was made of spirit (pneuma) but they believed spirit was physical.
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The reason why Maracionism and Arianism were condemned as heresies is because they were against the clear teachings of the revelation of God as contained in the Scriptures.
Early on from about 150AD to 600AD or so, those brands of Christianity - whoops - Heretical False Christianity for you, were the dominant forms of the religions which claimed to follow the teachings of Jesus. They were dominant over the original Roman church, and later were dominant over the Trinitarian Roman church until the time of the Muslim conquests. Trinitarian Christianity is obviously against the clear teachings of scripture and you don’t have a problem with it. If any of it were truly clear, we wouldn’t have thousands of Christian sects today or tens/hundreds in the first millennium.
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Several of his views/teachings were condemned as heretical, making him a heretic.
Who gets to decide who is a heretic?
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You can put those things in the same bucket in your mind if you want, but the biblical evidence supporting each one is vastly different.
I don’t know man. It seems if one is to not be a chicken shite hypocrite, if you accept and embrace flat earth, one would have to embrace the young earth too. Either they’re both allegorical or they’re both literal. The flat earth is better supported than young earth in the Bible in my opinion. The flat earth is all over the old and New Testaments. Both are heavily attested.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 8:25 pm to DesScorp
Some Methodist Churches chose to break off from United Methodists organization because they didn’t want to embrace the gays……
Posted on 6/30/25 at 8:30 pm to UnclePat76
Oh darn!
You figured out our insidious plan!
You figured out our insidious plan!
Posted on 6/30/25 at 8:34 pm to Snipe
no the catholic church has not ordained women that's a protestant thing it's why your heretical church is dying and you are wish casting.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 10:27 pm to riccoar
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My Pastor commented last night that the fall of all these denominations started with the acceptance of allowing women to assume the roles of Lead Pastor. Everyone of them started the slippery slope from that deviation from Scripture
Think what ya’ll want about women but realize there were women apostles - some called out in Paul’s letter to the Romans - (e.g. Priscilla and Junia) that helped to fund Paul’s missions and worked very closely with Paul to spread the gospel. Those women taught men about Jesus and were noteworthy among the apostles according to Paul (not a low level apostle).
Posted on 6/30/25 at 10:32 pm to DesScorp
Nobody wants to go to church where a fat angry lesbian is preaching.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 12:38 am to DesScorp
People want the Church to challenge them not give in to every sin they commit.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 2:00 am to riccoar
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My Pastor commented last night that the fall of all these denominations started with the acceptance of allowing women to assume the roles of Lead Pastor. Everyone of them started the slippery slope from that deviation from Scripture
Sort of exactly how western countries started going to soft shite as women came into power
Posted on 7/1/25 at 6:59 am to DavidTheGnome
We left the UMC and voted to join the Global Methodist Church as did most other UMC churches in the region. Same church people, just under the GMC due to all the leftist agenda that the UMC has been pushing.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 7:06 am to DavidTheGnome
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I’m sure there is a little of this but the biggest thing is people in general just aren’t going to church anymore. And that’s not a trajectory that’s going to change
I think you're wrong big time here. There's a reason non denominational churches are going up all the time and have people attending.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 7:07 am to dickkellog
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protestant thing
Thats a black thing in the south
Posted on 7/1/25 at 7:15 am to Uga Alum
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The Protestant branch is like the bud lite of Christianity. It doesn’t fill you up, it tastes like shite, and it’s kind of gay.
I grew up protestant and am in the process of becoming Catholic.
Protestantism is like McDonald's Christianity. You go to a cookie cutter modern building, in about half of them you're sitting in cheap white fold out chairs, projector beaming lyrics of Contemporary Christian "music"/slop that seems like it never ends, pastors either preaching prosperity gospel or a cookie cutter sermon that doesn't challenge anyone about anything even if scripture says they should. Protestantism, because of its roots in individualism, hyper focuses on the individual when "church" is supposed to be a community of people, and the pastor serves the body as a whole, not 100 individuals.
In a world where our governments are rapidly secularizing themselves, having a unified, powerful entity like Catholicism has will be even more important going into the future. Is it flawed? Obviously. I do think its on the upswing though.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 7:19 am to FooManChoo
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First, I wasn’t saying that all Protestants do know what they believe and why and that they do defend it directly, but they’re expected to by Catholics who (rightly) ask for a defense of the theological and doctrinal claims we make. My point was that, as far as I’ve seen, Catholics demand Protestants defend their positions. I’ve seen several examples of where Catholics cannot defend their positions themselves but merely link to the catechisms, as if that should suffice for discussion. My point was that all, including Catholics, should be able to defend their beliefs, themselves.
Having had experience in both, the VAST majority of protestants can't tell you what their denomination believes vs another.
Catholics aren't batting 1.000 either, but are better than protestants about it.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 7:47 am to dickkellog
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it's why your heretical church is dying and you are wish casting.
This is a very odds statement. What exactly do you mean?
Posted on 7/1/25 at 7:52 am to 4cubbies
Do you blame yourself for anything?? Anything at all? 
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:11 am to Tuscaloosa
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Catholics should repent of their idolatry and come back home to Jesus himself - recreating the Church he founded in the book of Acts.
Your current iteration is a bastardized, unrecognizable version of the Church handed over to Peter by Jesus.
We literally eat Jesus for eternal life. Idols are pagan gods like the sun and moon gods. Jesus, His Holy Family and Saints who died horrible deaths spreading the gospels aren't pagan gods
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 8:13 am
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