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re: Uninformed gun owners
Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:32 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:32 pm to AggieHank86
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My nearest neighbor is more than a mile away, so random bullets are not a great danger to us.
Bullets can easily cover that distance and be lethal but your ignorance is more dangerous to yourself and those around you anyway.
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:36 pm to RescueT
Is this a shiny hook?
Reads like a shiny hook.
Reads like a shiny hook.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:38 pm to AggieHank86
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My nearest neighbor is more than a mile away, so random bullets are not a great danger to us.
Same here. In the thick woods of N. Wisconsin, I doubt the bullet would carry very far at all. Open land would be another story.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:41 pm to wickowick
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They should have been taught gun safety in school
I disagree. Your father, grandfather or uncle should teach gun safety at a very young age. I can still remember my grandfather chastising me for setting a .22 rifle down on it's butt and not being perfectly vertical. He was a rough old man
Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:43 pm to RescueT
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People that have never owned guns buying AR platforms. Yikes.
We hand out select-fire M4A1's in the second week of basic training to kids that have never handled a firearm, have never lived away from home, and are getting yelled at for 17 hours a day. The neat thing about firearms is that they are simple things that don't take a whole lot effort to understand the basics.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:45 pm to Clames
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and are getting yelled at for 17 hours a day.
17 hours......hummmmmm......
Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:46 pm to RescueT
Damn AR-14s seem to be on backorder. Can't find one anywhere.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:11 pm to Clames
quote:My God, you are an idiot.
Bullets can easily cover that distance and be lethal but your ignorance is more dangerous to yourself and those around you anyway.
Of course a bullet CAN carry a mile ... some of them under some circumstances.
But is a neighbor in more danger (a) in a suburb of zero-lot-line homes or (b) 20 miles out in the country? Take a single, randomly/accidentally fired round.
For purposes of discussion, let’s say that a kill shot on a human is a two-square-foot target (larger than realistic) . At fifty feet radius (estimated house-to-house distance in a town or city), a non-aimed round might have one chance in 300 of hitting a two-foot target. At a radius of 5000 feet, the chances of accidentally hitting a target of similar size with an un-aimed round are something more like one in 30,000, perhaps higher.
Pi-D. Those numbers assume firing on a plane. If you add 5-15 feet of vertical space, the gap gets much, much larger.
That is before we even discuss the reduced speed of the round by the time it has passed through 5000 feet of atmosphere. Depending upon caliber and such, the round is probably traveling at not more than 20% of muzzle velocity by the time it has traveled a mile.
For someone with an avatar full of ammunition, you are remarkably ignorant on this topic.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:28 pm to AggieHank86
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But is a neighbor in more danger (a) in a suburb of zero-lot-line homes or (b) 20 miles out in the country? Take a single, randomly/accidentally fired round. For purposes of discussion, let’s say that a kill shot on a human is a two-square-foot target (larger than realistic) . At fifty feet radius (estimated house-to-house distance in a town or city), a non-aimed round might have one chance in 300 of hitting a two-foot target. At a radius of 5000 feet, the chances of accidentally hitting a target of similar size with an un-aimed round are something more like one in 30,000, perhaps higher.
Hank, you are assuming, that your neighbor might shoot you accidentally.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:34 pm to auggie
quote:upvote.
Hank, you are assuming, that your neighbor might shoot you accidentally.
True, but we are discussing a firearm novice. At that range, I am MUCH more comfortable at 5000 feet than 50 feet, even if he is TRYING to aim.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:39 pm to auggie
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Hank, you are assuming, that your neighbor might shoot you accidentally.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:42 pm to AggieHank86
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That is before we even discuss the reduced speed of the round by the time it has passed through 5000 feet of atmosphere. Depending upon caliber and such, the round is probably traveling at not more than 10%-20% of muzzle velocity by the time it has traveled a mile.
For someone with an avatar full of ammunition, you are remarkably ignorant on this topic.
Bullet trajectory is parabolic and can retain about 50% of the fired energy at such a range. I've pulled bullets out of house roof decking deep enough to punch a hole even in your thick skull. Don't even imagine you know a fraction of what I know Hank, on this topic and many others. As for your other idiotic assumptions, bullets shatter when striking almost any common building material and where you are pulling those numbers from (your arse most certainly) are only good for a discussion when dealing with dishonest mental midgets like yourself.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:49 pm to AggieHank86
my only first hand encounter with a fire arm fatality was 30 years ago my uncle was duck hunting with a friend and his 13 year old son using pirogues in the swamp.
they came upon a raccoon well before daylight and the young lad using the muzzle of his gun to hold tried to push the raccoon away with the butt. raccoon grabbed at the gun pulled at the trigger and the lad was hit in the chest. weird accident that could have been prevented by 1, pointing the muzzle in a safe direction 2, keeping the bullets away from the gun till duck time 3 , keeping the gun on safety 4 not using the gun as a prop. a safety course will not cause the behavior of a gun carrier to be safe. safety results from having a full understanding of the adverse consequences
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:51 pm to RescueT
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Extra pew pews just in case. In all seriousness. Just be watchful. Lots of folks about to have guns that have no idea what they are doing.
It just means they will be selling them in a week or two after all this dies down.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:57 pm to Trevaylin
quote:True for firearms and aviation. Both are very safe. But very unforgiving of carelessness.
a safety course will not cause the behavior of a gun carrier to be safe. safety results from having a full understanding of the adverse consequences
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:14 pm to RescueT
i mean, i agree, but an ar-15 isn't that hard to operate.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:37 pm to Kino74
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Some of the nonsense is about as entertaining as good old Latarvus J William's tweet.
Latarvis was a national treasure. Did Twitter reinstate him?
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:42 pm to AggieHank86
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Not all nuts own guns ... quite the contrary.
Not all gun owners are nuts ... quite the contrary.
But the larger the number of guns owned, the greater the likelihood of overlap.
Go frick your mother.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:46 pm to RescueT
I’m sorry that the bill of rights scares you so much.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:04 am to AggieHank86
quote:And why would you say that?
But some of them will almost-certainly kill SOMEONE by accident.
Are you suggesting that people who weren't previously gun owners are incompetent and should not get them? That Kelly the soccer mom and Bill from IT are doomed to shoot their kids now? Simply because while they never previously felt the need to own a gun, they do now?
I doubt that's the case. I suspect most of the new firearms owners will get their guns, put them in the master bedroom closet or sock drawer for now, and sit tight. And later, when things have blown over, some will sell them, others will take them to a range and get some practice and familiarity, and others will leave them just where they are.
Most people who buy something new, will then research that thing.
I strongly suspect Hickok45, sootch00, and similar will get a bunch of new traffic. These guys are pleasant and easy to watch, and usually quite informative.
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