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re: Ukrainians have now attacked a second critical Russian nuclear early warning radar.

Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:41 pm to
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:41 pm to
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Because it was a Nuclear specific warning system and helps blind them from a nuclear threat by a remotely possible NATO attack.


From the Indian Ocean?

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We routinely fly B-52 bombers to the edge of the Interational space, in a threatening /taunting move towards Russia.


We didn’t need to admit Hungary, Poland and all the other Eastern European nations into NATO to use B-52 bombers to attack Russia.

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It dramatically increases to chance of them, Russia, making a grave mistake.


Possibly, but your original post indicated the threat to be from the West, but it’s not, Eastern NATO countries are in the wrong direction. Look at Orsk on the map. It’s SW of Moscow.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133660 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:41 pm to
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The simple point to this whole ordeal is that Russia will not allow NATO controled states next to their border.
An even simpler point is you’re clueless about European geography.

Russia has already allowed NATO member states “next to their border.”

Look at a map and find Finland, Estonia and Latvia. All are NATO members.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6611 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:43 pm to
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From the Indian Ocean?


That is only the latest attacks. Other sites have been attacked as well.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22748 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:44 pm to
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The simple point to this whole ordeal is that Russia will not allow NATO controled states next to their border. They will not allow labs that are creating bioweapon technology. They will not allow nato troops and/or nato weapons (conventional or nuclear) in those states. Ukraine along with the US and NATO did or were going to do all of them. The globalists have taken over the US and now like Russia and china. Take out Russia and the rest of the world/globalist will starve china out. Job complete at that point.


I'm sorry I don't comprehend this. I apologize. How do you spell Finland, Estonia. Latvia and Lithuania? Throw in Poland. All border Russia. And NATO troops are in all these countries. Not sure about biolabs and nukes. I hope not. I may reconsider if Russia has placed nukes in Belarus.
Ukraine won't be a NATO country anytime soon, if ever.
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 6:46 pm
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6611 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:47 pm to
Well the great thing about this guys is NATO is going to keep pushing. And Russia isn't leaving Ukraine. SO I guess we shall see

Posted by ReeseBobby
Comanche TX
Member since Oct 2021
312 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:47 pm to
Finlands border is a short afternoons drive from St Petersburg. If keeping nato at arms length was Putins goal than he already lost regardless of the outcome in Ukraine.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41836 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:47 pm to
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That is only the latest attacks. Other sites have been attacked as well.


I was responding to your lengthy post. I didn’t know where Orsk was so I looked it up and saw it wasn’t on Russia’s eastern border.

Where were the other sites? Do you know?
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21510 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:48 pm to
RiverCityTider, you are correct. 100 %.
Unfortunately, many here can't seem to comprehend such a simple concept.
It's so very simple.
How would America react if Russia was preparing to set up military bases along our Mexico border??
Folks have to give up the MSM Kool aid as a starting point. Another misconception for most is that Russia "lost" the cold war. Russia CHOSE to turn away from communism. It wasn't due to a civil war or a revolution. It was a chosen path of action to become a part of the Western world trade. Rather than pulling in Russia, the West kept Russia on the outside and have pushed them into closer relationship with Russia, India and the rest of the BRICS.
America will be worse because of it.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
35600 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:49 pm to
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Was it gas?

Some indigestion I suspect.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133660 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:50 pm to
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The Putin apologists overlook Putin’s aggression in Georgia and Ukraine
The Putin fan boys on here never acknowledge that the only two former Soviet republics Putin has invaded happen to be non-NATO members. Armenia and Azerbaijan might be next.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6611 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:51 pm to
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41836 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:52 pm to
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How would America react if Russia was preparing to set up military bases along our Mexico border??


That’s a dumb argument. It makes no sense.
Mexico is allied with us. The US isn’t taking parts of Mexico. Mexico doesn’t need help defending itself from the US.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:53 pm to
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Put differently, an ''"ultimatum"" would have insinuated the alternative as war. Based on the surprise at Russian invasion by both Ukraine and the West, there was no ""ultimatim.""


Did you intend to spell ultimatum that way?

Also, your knowledge of events preceding the invasion is not strong at all. It's like I have to spend time educating you on facts of history and then having you, in oddly mangled English, explain the most naive ideas about geopolitics back to me.

Also, this misrepresents what happened, in a factual sense. There were 3 factions within NATO. One who correctly guessed the intent, one who doubted it, and one who needed convincing. The real facts of the matter, not something counter-factual, was that reports of the intent of a Russian invasion broke before the key December meeting that occurred in Moscow between an unnamed US ambassador at the Russian Foreign Ministry. So there was a group, namely the US, who were insisting that Russia was going to invade and were doing so before the meeting with Russia occurred in December 2021.

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Putin's opinion was, Russia can walk into Kyiv and dictate terms.


The truth is that Putin has wanted to dictate terms for a long time but could never find sufficient leverage to get what he wanted. Framing Russian extra-territorial actions since 2002 under that lens makes that clear.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22748 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:55 pm to
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That’s a dumb argument. It makes no sense.
Mexico is allied with us. The US isn’t taking parts of Mexico. Mexico doesn’t need help defending itself from the US.


Maybe they should substitute Cuba. If Russia did that they'd have a problem on their hands.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41836 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:56 pm to
Cool map, Thxs.

Did Ukraine take out the western radar systems too? The Armavir systems?
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22748 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:58 pm to
Thanks to you guys for getting this back on topic.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6611 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 7:00 pm to
Partially I think

The point is without these systems, Moscow in down to about a 6 minute warning time. The US has 18 minutes.

The net effect of this expansion is a reduction in warning time. Six minutes means peace and war, life and death has to be decided very, very quickly
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 7:04 pm
Posted by LookSquirrel
Old Millville
Member since Oct 2019
7654 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 7:01 pm to
Explainer: What is happening between Armenia and Azerbaijan over Nagorno-Karabakh?

LINK
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41836 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 7:06 pm to
I looked myself and it appears Armsvir was attacked once. The other attacks were against Orsk it seems.
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 7:07 pm
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24133 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 7:06 pm to
If its so important, you'd think Russia would know how to protect it.
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