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Ukraine Lost 100,000 men KIA according to EU's Ursula.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:31 am
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:31 am
Which means it's the low estimate. We're probably looking at 150-200k now. Another 500k amputees/permanently injured.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5p8ijJmpbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5p8ijJmpbg
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Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:32 am to I707U
It’s a shame the election was stolen. Those mamas would still have sons if Trump had been permitted to retain his seat.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:41 am to BigMob
I agree. I think the outcome will be inevitable split of Ukraine, but at a huge lives lost cost for both Ukrainians and Russians.
But MIC got paid handsomely. They sat and watched as big pharma cashed in, so they needed a payday.
But MIC got paid handsomely. They sat and watched as big pharma cashed in, so they needed a payday.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:45 am to I707U
She said 100k officers, which means millions, possibly tens of millions of enlisted dead. How can a country of 41MM people absorb such a loss??
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:50 am to BigMob
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It’s a shame the election was stolen. Those mamas would still have sons if Trump had been permitted to retain his seat.
Or if, ya know, Russia didn’t invade.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:56 am to NYNolaguy1
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She said 100k officers, which means millions, possibly tens of millions of enlisted dead. How can a country of 41MM people absorb such a loss??
Minus 6.5 million who fled to Russia and Europe. That leaves 35 mil. And now Kiev is asking people to move out of the cities because they can't heat them. EU is expected few more million from there, so I'd imageine 10 million refugees. That better be her using "officers" inaccurately. Othrerwise...just wow.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 1:08 am
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:58 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Or if, ya know, Russia didn’t invade.
Or if Ukies didn't civil war for 8 years, didn't compromise, and didn't entice Russia by asking for NATO membership.
It takes two to tango. And now it's costing us money by furthering inflation here and and Europe. Frankly, IDGAF about Europe, let them shtarve, but their economy still has a bearing on ours.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 1:00 am
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:14 am to Mickey Goldmill
Or if the US didn't intervene in wars that didn't make a damn bit of interest in US sovereignty.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:28 am to I707U
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, let them shtarve, but their economy still has a bearing on ours.
Yeah when we are handing out billions like candy... that does indeed have a bearing on ours. What imports are we getting from the Ukraine again?
How about we should have kept the keystone XL pipeline extension plans, bolstered drilling and let someone else send billions and billions to Ukraine? frick both Russia and Ukraine. QUIT SENDING my money there.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:51 am to I707U
100K killed or wounded is the Pentagon’s estimate.
The low estimate is from the Ukraine government which stated in September it’s military had 9K deaths (while killing 56K Russians).
Russia claims 61K Ukrainian soldiers killed (while losing 6K of it’s own).
Obviously none of these numbers can be corroborated whether from the EU, Pentagon, Ukraine, Russia and should be taken with a pinch of salt.
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Which means it's the low estimate.
The low estimate is from the Ukraine government which stated in September it’s military had 9K deaths (while killing 56K Russians).
Russia claims 61K Ukrainian soldiers killed (while losing 6K of it’s own).
Obviously none of these numbers can be corroborated whether from the EU, Pentagon, Ukraine, Russia and should be taken with a pinch of salt.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 1:59 am
Posted on 12/1/22 at 2:47 am to BigMob
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It’s a shame the election was stolen. Those mamas would still have sons if Trump had been permitted to retain his seat.
Russia would not have dared step out of line if Trump was president.
Afghanistan wouldn't have been botched either.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 2:58 am to I707U
Pretty much all international military estimates are that the war has produced approximately 200,000 total “casualties,” divided approximately equally between Russia and Ukraine. BBC
The EU corrected von der Leyen’s misstatement within a few minutes, to align with those estimates.
First, she said “killed” when the number refers to “casualties.” The latter term includes both killed and wounded. Historically, the wounded:killed ratio is about 3:1, though modern medicine was increased the ratio to something like 10:1 for developed countries. Thus, the KIA number per side is probably between 10,000 and 25,000.
Second, she said “officers” when the numbers refer to total military personnel. Trying to interpolate a higher number of “total personnel“ from her mis-statement is just stupid.
“Pro-Kremlin propagandists, meanwhile, seized on (von der Leyen’s) screwup to push the claim that Ukraine was ‘hiding’ war losses from its citizens.”
Daily Beast
The EU corrected von der Leyen’s misstatement within a few minutes, to align with those estimates.
First, she said “killed” when the number refers to “casualties.” The latter term includes both killed and wounded. Historically, the wounded:killed ratio is about 3:1, though modern medicine was increased the ratio to something like 10:1 for developed countries. Thus, the KIA number per side is probably between 10,000 and 25,000.
Second, she said “officers” when the numbers refer to total military personnel. Trying to interpolate a higher number of “total personnel“ from her mis-statement is just stupid.
“Pro-Kremlin propagandists, meanwhile, seized on (von der Leyen’s) screwup to push the claim that Ukraine was ‘hiding’ war losses from its citizens.”
Daily Beast
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 3:09 am
Posted on 12/1/22 at 3:09 am to AggieHank86
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“Pro-Kremlin propagandists, meanwhile, seized on the screwup to push the claim that Ukraine was ‘hiding’ war losses from its citizens.”
Considering that the Ukrainians are turning around and selling the weapons we are giving them on the black market and to terrorist organizations I'm not even sure there's an actual war going on over there.
frick the Ukrainians.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 3:17 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Or if, ya know, Russia didn’t invade.
there was a 4 year period where Russia more or less behaved themselves....
It's worth looking into which years those were.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 4:06 am to pankReb
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It's worth looking into which years those were.
Yeah, don't hold your breath. Kinda funny really. We had been telling folks that if Trump hadn't won in 2016 we would have been at war with Russia under Hillary in less than a year. Then Trump gets in and there were no new wars for the first time in 40 fricking years. Then Biden gets in there and the next thing you know we are on the verge of WW3.
It doesn't take a frickin genius to see what's going on here. Our "leaders" want war with Russia. And if they get their way they'll have it eventually.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 4:07 am to I707U
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Ukraine Lost 100,000 men KIA
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Which means it's the low estimate.
War is hell. This one was completely avoidable. But 100K KIA number is bullshite.
A month ago Mark'SynchronizedRetrograde'Milley spoke in NYC about the Ukrainian War. In his comments he issued an assessment of total Ukrainian casualties, claiming they were approximately 100K, and that Russian losses were similar. Milley's veracity is dubious (to be kind). But his claim was picked up by the NYTimes and amplified.
Ursula von der Leyen, not the sharpest tool in the shed, seems to have misinterpreted Milley's casualties claim as KIA. Then she furthered the confused stupidity by claiming those were officer deaths.
For a perspective, total US KIA in Europe during all of WWII was ~105K ... and that was over a four year span.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 4:15 am to I707U
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And now Kiev is asking people to move out of the cities because they can't heat them. EU is expected few more million from there, so I'd imageine 10 million refugees.
We should cut off all heat and electricity and water to all the Russian embassies around the world and to any child Putin, Cabinet Minister, Parliamentary Deputy or Propogandist who has his kids in some foreign boarding school.
The Russian elite loves bitching about the decadent west then it sends their kids to live here and drive western cars and wesern clothes.
frick Russia and it's butcher leaders.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 4:20 am to tenderfoot tigah
quote:The salient point is Russia would have no reason to "step out of line if Trump was president." The 4 years of Russia's relative passivity had less to do with fear of Trump than it did with Trump simply not provoking them.
Russia would not have dared step out of line if Trump was president.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 4:21 am to AggieHank86
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Thus, the KIA number per side is probably between 10,000 and 25,000.
These numbers just don’t pass the sniff test. The Russians very likely lost close to 10,000 in the opening month of the war and “Western Officials” were claiming similar numbers back in July.
It’s difficult to find anything close to reliable numbers on the Ukrainians given this is likely the largest propaganda operation in history but they admitted to at least 9,000 dead in August (and claimed 45k Russian dead) ( NPR.
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“Pro-Kremlin propagandists, meanwhile, seized on (von der Leyen’s) screwup to push the claim that Ukraine was ‘hiding’ war losses from its citizens.”
Both sides are hiding losses. Ukraine has a financial incentive to claim soldiers are MIA or otherwise deny their death while Russia needs to minimize its losses to maintain its image and prevent an uprising at home.
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Daily Beast
No wonder…
Posted on 12/1/22 at 4:30 am to Snazzmeister
Daily Telegraph - In Russia support for the war drops dramatically, now only 25 percent of Russians support continuing the war.
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