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re: UAP /paranormal primer: essential information for what is to come

Posted on 8/1/22 at 7:59 pm to
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 8/1/22 at 7:59 pm to
This paper is basically this thread published in a journal

PDF warning:

https://thejournalofcosmology.com/Puthoff.pdf

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ULTRATERRESTRIAL MODELS
H. E. Puthoff, Ph.D.
Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin


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Abstract Journal of Cosmology, Vol. 29, No. 1, pp. 20001 - 20016 ULTRATERRESTRIAL MODELS H. E. Puthoff, Ph.D. Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin West Lake Hills, TX 78746

Under consideration in this paper are two seminal statements and their concomitants, currently unknown, as follows: 1. There is an unidentified phenomenon interacting with the current human population on Earth; 2. It is currently unknown whether the phenomenon is exclusively extraterrestrial, extradimensional, crypto-terrestrial, demonic/djinn, proto/ancient human, time-travelers, etc., or some combination or mutation of any or all of these. However, it appears highly likely that the phenomenon per se is not constituted exclusively of members of the current human population. In this paper we address the above under the overarching theme Ultraterrestrials in order to develop a template to be matched against data at hand and that may be procured in the future. Key words: extraterrestrials, ultraterrestrials, time-travelers, forensics, disclosure


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(3) The Stranded or Colonizing ETs/”gods” Hypothesis: Telltale signatures might include evidence in myth for high-tech interpretation of claimed devices beyond human capability of the era to manufacture (e.g., nuclear-powered, algae production “manna machine” in Biblical times); hard evidence for isolated mountain bases, detectable by satellite signatures of fastwalker or UCT (uncorrelated target) flight paths, or anomalous undersea activity or bases detectable by distributed underwater monitoring systems; covert, elite group exercising occult/religious influence in society; evidence for buried, high-tech artifacts or locales with unusual signal/radiation characteristics here or off planet; etc.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 8/3/22 at 1:27 pm to
Very good talk

Dr Nolan (Stanford) goes deep into many topics:

presence of others on Earth and in the ocean
ability to manipulate conciousness
biological avatars
The topic trancends politics

He references Vallee a bunch. Will post some primer links below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7cKhIJnTpo

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Dr. Garry Nolan on Tucker Carlson (FULL INTERVIEW)
17,067 views Premiered 21 hours ago The full interview of Dr. Garry Nolan discussing UFOs with Tucker Carlson.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmLE0X5FRFc

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Jacques Vallée, UFOs, and the Case against Extraterrestrial Origins
15,260 views Apr 24, 2022

For pioneering the first alternatives to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for UFOs, Jacques Vallée has earned a reputation as the grandfather of the "new" ufology, and he's inspired a generation of ufologists to explore a whole new set of questions about the UFO phenomenon.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSClopfVg0Y

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The Jinn: Supernatural Beings of the Muslim World
5,361 views Jun 30, 2022 The Quran tells us of invisible beings called Jinn that occasionally interact with humans. Belief in Jinn is mostly confined to the muslim world, but nearly every culture on earth has posited the existence of similar beings.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hHomOJ-G5Q

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The Secret Commonwealth: Real Fairies in History
22,325 views Apr 2, 2020 People today think of fairies as little winged pixie girls, but this is not how those who saw them in history typically described them. The Reverend Robert Kirk wrote a treatise on the fairy people as they were known in the Scottish lowlands, and offers us a more evidence-based description of these elusive creatures.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:58 pm to
Write up about Tucker/Nolan vid above:

https://curiosmos.com/stanford-professor-ufo-contactees-chilling-data/

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Stanford Professor Who Studied UFO Contactees Reveals Chilling Data
Ivan Petricevic
Posted on August 3, 2022


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The scientist explained who he thinks has the UFO remains that have been recovered in various incidents, like Roswell, and why they have not been released to the public.

“These remains went to places like Lockheed and other large aerospace companies, which wanted to profit from them, and a lot of them basically took a bunch of information, pulled it apart, and said, OK, let’s make a profit on this. We are not going to tell Congress what we have because if we do, we may have to share it with McDonnel Douglas (another contractor) or someone else,” Nolan replied.


Lue has intimated similar notions
Very illegal (while profiteering). This is why truth and reconciliation is being worded in the new legislation

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It is also important to note that the scientist believes that UFO crews have the capability of projecting things into witnesses’ minds or putting ideas there, so that even the reported human forms could simply be “avatars” or “biological robots” that are familiar to us, and are interacting with us, “simple primitive monkeys.”




Nolan compares some of the injuries to Havana syndrome

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Curiously, Jim Semivan, a former CIA officer, also recently spoke out about the UFO phenomenon. “There is a force out there that can control our environment, that can put thoughts into our heads.” This is according to Jim Semivan, a former CIA officer and co-founder of To The Stars Academy. The “To The Stars Academy” is an organization that claims to have been responsible for the release of the now-famous Pentagon UFO videos.


A force that can manipulate perceptions and consciousness
That is saying something coming from a spook

A force that would want you to think it is from another planet when in reality it is right here on Earth with us…

Ultraterrestrials …
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:10 pm to
Oldies, but goodies (for context in the setting of recent raid on Trump property)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weird-news/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-extraterrestrials-exist-trump-knows-n1250333

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Former Israeli space security chief says extraterrestrials exist, and Trump knows about it A "galactic federation" has been waiting for humans to "reach a stage where we will understand... what space and spaceships are," Haim Eshed said.


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"There is an agreement between the U.S. government and the aliens. They signed a contract with us to do experiments here," he said. Eshed added that President Donald Trump was aware of the extraterrestrials' existence and had been "on the verge of revealing" information but was asked not to in order to prevent "mass hysteria."


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-he-s-heard-very-interesting-things-about-roswell-n1231521

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Trump says he's heard 'very interesting' things about Roswell, site of an alleged UFO event

The president was asked by his eldest son whether he would declassify information about the New Mexico location.


Just what information was the FBI looking for?
Keep in mind that UAP and nuclear technology have been intertwined subjects

Even on the mainstream side of the UAP reporting, whistleblower protection for testimony has been evolving

Did 45 hold on to a few Trump cards to combat partial disclosure or co-opted disclosure?
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 8/23/22 at 2:45 pm to
https://thehill.com/opinion/3610916-congress-implies-ufos-have-non-human-origins/

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Congress implies UFOs have non-human origins
BY MARIK VON RENNENKAMPFF, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 08/22/22 1:00 PM ET THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL


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In Congress, where legislation is drafted, debated and enacted, clear and concise definitions are of paramount importance. As military aircrews increasingly encounter unidentified flying objects (UFOs), lawmakers recently made several striking revisions to the definition of “UFO.” Key among them: The explosive implication that some UFOs have non-human origins.

As first reported by researcher Douglas Johnson, a draft bill approved unanimously by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence rebrands UFOs as “unidentified aerospace-undersea phenomena.” Expanding the definition to include objects in space and under the oceans significantly broadens the scope of a muscular new office tasked by Congress with investigating UFOs.


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The revised definition of “UFO” also includes “transmedium” objects which, according to lawmakers, “transition between space and the atmosphere, or between the atmosphere and bodies of water.”


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Most strikingly, Congress’s new definition of “UFO” excludes “man-made” objects. Over the last seven decades, most UFO sightings involved “man-made” objects, such as misidentified aircraft, balloons, satellites or drones. Yet now, according to Congress, “man-made” objects “should not be considered under the definition as unidentified aerospace-undersea phenomena.”


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Make no mistake: One branch of the American government implying that UFOs have non-human origins is an explosive development.


Others observe us from where we are not (not easily):

Underwater
Underground
Remote locations (Antarctica)
Space
The Moon

They are not from other planets
They have always been “here”. Observing?
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 9/1/22 at 9:32 pm to
https://thedebrief.org/the-paradox-of-fermis-paradox/

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THE PARADOX OF FERMI’S PARADOX
CHRISTOPHER MELLON·BREAKING NEWSSETIUAP·
SEPTEMBER 1, 2022


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Although I support the SETI project, it seems far more likely extraterrestrial civilizations would dispatch probes rather than blindly broadcasting radio signals into space. For one thing, any civilization broadcasting openly to space is announcing its location and potentially inviting its own destruction. As they say, “The spouting whale gets the harpoon.” Probes, by contrast, can obtain information stealthily, permitting direct observation without interference or detection. They also eliminate the need for compatible communications technologies and provide the means to collect and examine physical specimens as we ourselves are doing today on Mars. Probes are also likely to be more efficient considering the massive energy required to send signals into space that would be detectable at interstellar distances. It is not surprising that NASA sends probes rather than signals to explore the solar system. So why aren’t we seeing evidence of probes from other civilizations? Or are we?


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As the focal point for U.S. nuclear weapons design and development, the motive for scrutiny of Los Alamos is obvious. Imagine that NASA probes someday encounter an inhabited exoplanet. The first order of business will unquestionably be to assess what threats or dangers exist. If ever there was to be a honeypot used to lure alien probes, I can’t imagine anything more likely to succeed than atmospheric explosions of nuclear weapons. As noted above, UAP activity was persistent and compelling near Los Alamos and other nuclear weapons facilities, with recurring overflights and intrusive entries into highly sensitive restricted airspace.


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Science vs. National Security There is a fundamental difference in evidentiary standards between the national security community and scientists and academics. Scientists strive to formulate hypotheses that can be tested and disproven; they then publish their results so others can independently replicate their findings. This time-honored approach, combined with free markets and freedom of speech and association, underpins our prosperity and incredible advances in health and living standards. This disciplined approach generally works well in a laboratory or observatory, but the national security community does not always have the luxury of working with inert materials or controlled environments. In fact, the organizations and individuals national security analysts study are often diligently working to confuse and deceive us.


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scientists cavalierly dismiss military reporting because it does not include data they can independently evaluate and confirm. I appreciate this difference in perspectives, but I would appeal to scientists considering the UAP issue to bear in mind we are in entirely uncharted waters. Notably, if the ET hypothesis is correct, this represents the first time in history we have attempted to analyze manifestations of a more intelligent and technologically advanced species. Normal standards and practices do not suffice. If we observe a UAP event and then fail to replicate it subsequently, is that consistent or inconsistent with the ET hypothesis? Are they monitoring and reacting to our monitoring them? Are they able to interfere with or deceive our instruments? Are they able to interfere with or modify our perceptions? If the observed behavior of UAP contradicts our understanding of physics, is that evidence the data is flawed or evidence of a more highly advanced civilization? If there is a dearth of clear photos, is that because of stealthy concealment, lack of actual UAP, or due to an energetic field generated by relativistic UAP propulsion systems that interfere with the reflection of photons to the camera?


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Moreover, there are historic whistleblower provisions in the pending Intelligence and DoD Authorization bills in Congress. These provisions enjoy broad bipartisan and bicameral support and will almost certainly be enacted by year’s end. Once enacted, they will enable Congress to learn the truth of long-standing allegations that the U.S. government is in possession of recovered alien technology. Concurrently, pending legislation will require a General Accounting Office review of classified information pertaining to UAP dating back to the end of WWII. I am already aware of a number of individuals who claim they will testify to the existence of recovered alien technology or are considering doing so.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:15 am to
Ole baw from Tennessee weighs in…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-E1um_2k3Vg

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Rep. Burchett discusses Navy's refusal to release UAP videos to public on News Nation
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Sep 14 2022

Congressman Tim Burchett (TN-02) joins Leland Vittert of News Nation to discuss the Navy's recent statement regarding the release of UAP video footage.


Baw claims US and private aerospace industry have/are reverse engineering crafts of others

Again, ours/theirs/others is the paradigm

This thread has argued that there is “The Program” to do such a thing

Deep black
Above oversight
Illegal

Can only be resolved with truth and reconciliation hearing moving forward
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:14 pm to
Posted by bayou2
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Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:21 pm to


... why is the lighter blue line crooked and not straight ???

Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
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Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:24 pm to
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... why is the lighter blue line crooked and not straight ???

staged space launch vehicles?
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Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:27 pm to
I'm down.
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Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:29 pm to
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Deep black
Above oversight
Illegal



Like the FBI
Posted by Willie Stroker
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Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:40 pm to
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... why is the lighter blue line crooked and not straight ???

Biden votes
Posted by FieldEngineer
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Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:17 pm to
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New insignia for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence contains an image of a flying saucer


Looks like this was removed from their site.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:23 pm to
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Looks like this was removed from their site



https://www.cyberscoop.com/odni-ufo-new-seal-in-error/

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What's with the UFO on a U.S. intelligence agency seal?


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A spokesperson there told CyberScoop in an emailed statement that its National Intelligence Manager for the Air Domain, also known as NIM-Aviation, “erroneously posted an unofficial and incorrect logo.” So, no, the agency wasn’t hacked, as several people who spotted the seal also wondered. NIM-Aviation serves as the Director of National Intelligence’s principal adviser on air domain issues, leading efforts to identify, analyze, and integrate intelligence on threats and vulnerabilities in the skies. NIM-Aviation also co-authored a June 2021 ODNI report submitted to Congress on unidentified aerial phenomena. It is unclear when the updated seal was first released or first noticed by anyone outside of NIM-Aviation. But by Saturday news of the odd aspects of the seal became more widely known when UFO enthusiast and documentary filmmaker Jeremy Corbell noticed the logo and posted it on Twitter with the snarky caption: “Lazar UFO in the official seal? Hahahhahaha. Radical. I still can’t believe they did this.” The seal was also analyzed carefully by the military community website Sandboxx, which noted how unusual it would be for ODNI‘s aviation outfit to include Russian weaponry in an official seal. “Of course, it’s not uncommon for government agencies (from all over the world) to accidentally include depictions of foreign aircraft in official graphics, but it seems extremely unlikely that an intelligence organization specializing in aviation would make such a mistake,” the Sandboxx author wrote, noting that the seal’s fighter jet silhouette appears to match that of a Russian Sukhoi Su-57 Felon.


Standard ODNI stuff…
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 10/2/22 at 3:55 pm to
Reflecting on a scripture passage:

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“If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it will obey you.


Specific focus on being uprooted and planted in the sea. Reframe this in the background of a civilization that was uprooted from terrestrial living and planted within/under the sea

Reframe Jonah and the “whale”

https://www.openbible.info/topics/jonah_and_the_whale

Was this “whale” a submursible (USO) sent by God or the gods…

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Recent theological input on UAP:

https://www.ncregister.com/interview/extraterrestrial-intelligence-and-the-catholic-faith

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Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith
A conversation with Paul Thigpen


https://www.ncregister.com/features/of-ufos-space-aliens-and-the-catholic-faith

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Of UFOs, Space Aliens and the Catholic Faith
A recent Department of Defense report about a credible UFO sighting in 2004 renews discussion about how science and faith have addressed the possibility of intelligent life on other planets.


https://www.ncregister.com/features/nuns-reveal-hidden-truth-about-roswell-ufo-crash

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Nuns Reveal Hidden Truth About Roswell ‘UFO Crash’
A contemplative religious community in New Mexico compares the 1947 incident to ‘something far more compelling and amazing’ that occurred 2,000 years ago.


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“With UAP (unidentified aerial phenomena, aka UFOs), we may actually be dealing with extraordinary phenomena of various origins despite similar characteristics,” said Paul Thigpen, author of Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith: Are We Alone in the Universe With God and the Angels? (TAN Books). Speaking to the Register, he said that “the extra-terrestrial hypothesis — the notion that we are encountering non-human intelligences from locations in this universe beyond Earth — best accounts for many UAP. The diabolical hypothesis (that they are demons) best accounts for some UAP reports, especially some of the so-called ‘alien abductions’ that demonstrate clear parallels with what the Church knows as demonic encounters.”

Thigpen posits other possibilities for the origins of UFOs: ultra-terrestrials. These, he says, are “non-human intelligences that share our planet as their home, largely hidden from us. This would include entities that have presented themselves in various forms throughout history, such as ancient mythological creatures, faerie folk …” He also alluded to two other possible explanations for certain kinds of UFOs/UAPs: ultra-dimensional beings. He says that these “originate from other dimensions of existence altogether that at times intersect with our own; or time-traveling humans from our future. Such realities would not lie beyond the creative wisdom and power of our omniscient, omnipotent Creator. If they do exist, he has made them and he sustains them in existence.”


Lue has stated that many in the Pentagon viewed UAP as demonic (which Lue does not appear to accept). What if that assessment is correct? (in light of recent/mainstream references to overt Satanism in modern politics)
Posted by dcbl
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Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:01 pm to
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spiritual war between angels/demons and light/dark (well documented)

I know most will think I’m nuts, but THIS is what I believe…
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:15 pm to
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Lue has stated that many in the Pentagon viewed UAP as demonic (which Lue does not appear to accept). What if that assessment is correct?


Lue stated that was the reason they did not want to investigate UAP...suggesting that the mere act of acknowledging and investigating them somehow gave them (demonic forces) more power. I think thats an ignorant pov. As far as comparing them to angels or demons, what are these creatures described in ancient texts? Extra dimensional beings right? I think folks get caught up in the language when the phenomenon we are witnessing now is likely the same phenomenon witnessed by the ancient world. Demons, angels, shadow people, UAPs,greys etc...is all part of a reality that exist parallel to ours. That just my guess.
Posted by oldskule
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Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:19 pm to
I love the enthusiam and insight to UAPs....but I do not beleive there are UFOs or Bigfoot, IMO.

There is zero concrete evidence on either.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:35 pm to
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UAPs....but I do not beleive there are UFOs or Bigfoot,


To my knowledge our government has not concealed data or denied the existence of data on Bigfoot encounters. On the other hand they denied the existence of data on UAPs and despite the recent admissions and release of a little bit of info, they are continuing to keep information from the public. In fact this past year the Navy has strengthened its grasp on the release of information. Something is going on. What it is is yet to be determined but its obvious the powers that be do not want the public to have access to information on UAPs
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