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re: Tuskegee experiment

Posted on 5/9/21 at 7:55 pm to
Posted by Smoke7024
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Posted on 5/9/21 at 7:55 pm to
You go around asking them?
Posted by Gus007
TN
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Posted on 5/9/21 at 7:56 pm to
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Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 5/9/21 at 7:56 pm to
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See also the government (FDA) approval of thalidomide


Now do opioids...
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 5/9/21 at 8:00 pm to
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/453424-house-calls-for-investigation-into-whether-pentagon-tried-to

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July 16, 2019 - 08:40 PM EDT
House calls for investigation into whether Pentagon tried to weaponize ticks


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The House has called for an investigation into whether the Department of Defense experimented with weaponized ticks decades ago and if it affected the spread of Lyme disease across the country. The amendment, introduced by Rep. Chris Smith (R-N.J.), would have the Defense Department’s Inspector General “conduct a review of whether the Department of Defense experimented with ticks and other insects regarding use as a biological weapon between the years of 1950 and 1975.” Under the amendment, the inspector general would will also have to disclose “the scope of such an experiment” and determine whether any insects “were released outside of any laboratory by accident or experimental design.”


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With Lyme disease and other tick-borne diseases exploding in the United States—with an estimated 300,000 to 437,000 new cases diagnosed each year and 10-20 percent of all patients suffering from chronic Lyme disease—Americans have a right to know whether any of this is true. And have these experiments caused Lyme disease and other tick-borne disease to mutate and to spread?” Smith said on the House floor Thursda


For those not familiar, this condition is a bitch to deal with /understand

So much so, that people have been accused of faking symptoms

The evasiveness may be due to the fact that it is a bioweapon

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https://news.yahoo.com/did-pentagon-ticks-biological-warfare-195700257.html

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So...Did the Pentagon Use Ticks for Biological Warfare? Kyle Mizokami Kyle Mizokami
Popular Mechanics
July 17, 2019, 2:57 PM CDT


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The call for information comes after the publication of the book Bitten: The Secret History of Lyme Disease and Biological Weapons. A major allegation in the book is that Willy Burgdorfer, the discoverer of the bacterium that causes Lyme Disease, claimed that the disease was the result of a biological weapons program that went awry. Burgdorfer himself was involved in biological warfare programs that involved using blood-sucking insects, including fleas, ticks, and mosquitoes, as vectors for the transmission of human diseases.


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According to the book, there were plans to drop weaponized bugs from the air to incapacitate enemies. This is similar to attempts by Imperial Japan to weaponize insects, typically fleas infected with plague and cholera, where they were used against the civilian population in China. The Japanese military organization responsible for the research, Unit 731, was later rounded up by the U.S. military after the war. Despite committing serious, egregious crimes against humanity, including vivisection, members of the unit were only lightly punished by the Allies, reportedly in exchange for research data.


Sounds like Operation Paperclip rationale...
Hail Hydra

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Lyme Disease affects approximately 30,000 people a year, primarily in the northeastern United States. The book alleges biowarfare research involving ticks took place at Fort Detrick, Maryland, and Plum Island, New York—both areas where CDC maps note the disease is very prevalent, but the CDC itself does not have an opinion on the allegation.




Mother should I trust the government
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
14086 posts
Posted on 5/9/21 at 8:04 pm to
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How many would know about the Tuskegee Airmen?



Most remember Viet Nam.

This government sent men of color to fight men of color in Viet Nam, and then sprayed them all with Agent Orange. Then spit on them when they returned home.
They and their offspring are still suffering from the effects of that.
They then sent them to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria.
For what?
They killed the Rosenbergs for giving atomic secrets to the Soviet Union.
The Clintons gave the CCP all our secrets and were cheered.
Posted by Aggie1965
Member since Apr 2021
265 posts
Posted on 5/9/21 at 8:06 pm to
“FDA approval of thalidomide”
Actually FDA did not approve Thalidomide in the early 60s when female employee prevented its approval. It had been OTC in Europe and she noted the presence of birth defects and lobbied against its approval. I am taking a thalidomide like med now to prevent recurrence of multiple myeloma.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 5/9/21 at 8:06 pm to
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If you asked 10 african american millennials, how many do you think would even know about the Tuskegee experiment?

few millenials know. older is another story. some will not take a vaccine because of it
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19523 posts
Posted on 5/9/21 at 9:10 pm to
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The same government that's responsible for essentially giving African americans advanced stage syphillis is accusing its citizens of racism and white supremacy.

If you asked 10 african american millennials, how many do you think would even know about the Tuskegee experiment?
Sadly, I expect the percentage of all Americans who were actually aware of the facts and circumstances of the Tuskegee syphilis study is in the low single digits.

From LINK ]The Lancet, circa 2005:
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Many aspects of the conduct of the Tuskegee study are beyond dispute. The men who took part were not told their diagnosis and were misled into believing they were receiving treatment, when in fact most were never adequately treated, even when penicillin became available. However, a pervasive myth that must be dispelled is that patients were deliberately infected with syphilis. The truth is that the infected men had had syphilis for several years at the time they were recruited.

It is debatable whether the study was racist. All the patients and controls were black (as was 82% of the population of Macon County in 1930), but this was because the study has its origins in earlier work supported by the philanthropic Rosenwald Fund, with the motivation of promoting the welfare of African Americans. Although the Rosenwald Fund decided not to support the Tuskegee study of untreated syphilis, it was endorsed by the Tuskegee Institute—an entirely African-American organisation—and black health-care professionals were involved at all stages of the study. Indeed, as late as 1969, the Macon County Medical Society, consisting mostly of black doctors, agreed to assist the USPHS in continuing the study.
There’s more at the link, but the “Tuskegee Experiment” is just another example of historical fact being subverted to advance a narrative.

And even the OP fell for the myth.
Posted by Vegas Eddie
The Quad
Member since Dec 2013
6051 posts
Posted on 5/9/21 at 9:12 pm to
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Most know the story.











Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
11789 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:12 am to
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I've not come across a black person who was unaware of the Tuskegee study. Not one.


Try that in Gwinnett County, GA
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38412 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:23 am to
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An ancillary point is that Jim Crow Laws were the result of State-mandated discrimination, NOT the free market.
This is facile at best. The laws were the reflection of the preferences of white voters (i.e. the only citizens who could vote.)
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38412 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:24 am to
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If you asked 10 african american millennials, how many do you think would even know about the Tuskegee experiment?
7

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The same government that's responsible for essentially giving African americans advanced stage syphillis is accusing its citizens of racism and white supremacy. Oh the irony. Projection much?

Oh and I'm supposed to trust the recommendations of the organizations, CDC and Dept of Health, responsible for such an atrocity? Those people trusted that they were getting safe and effective treatment only to develop neurosyphillis 30 years later.

But hey, theres always the hope that my government has become honest and truly altruistic in the span of 49 years.
Wait, so the US government did bad stuff and we are recognizing it here? We're not just spouting the usual mindless hagiography of the "greatest generation"?
Posted by RTWFU9
Member since Dec 2019
169 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:19 am to
Dey count tink fer demselves
Posted by GEAUXmedic
Premium Member
Member since Nov 2011
42048 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 2:01 am to
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See also the government (FDA) approval of thalidomide


The US was the only country to not approve it for pregnant women. Not sure what point you’re trying to make.
Posted by Tigersonfire
Pville
Member since Oct 2018
3027 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 2:15 am to
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Tuskegee Airmen?


The biggest farce in American military history. Democratic politics shockingly used black people to cover up a tragedy by honoring false black hero’s all the while killing 100’s of black servicemen. But keep pulling that handle BOYS
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
8959 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 6:42 am to
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I would suggest that your sample size is exceptionally small compared to mine.

As such, I would put the percentage at about 35.0%...seriously.


My sentiments exactly. I work the worst neighborhoods in Birmingham. When a black trash collector is making fun of my lanyard (Auburn).(He was interested when he learned that my Grandfather had coached with Shug Jordan).. then wraps up our talk with "Be very careful in this neighborhood."

You know there is trouble nearby.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
6932 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 6:59 am to
Liberals: We need more government regulation over every aspect of our lives!!!

Also Liberals: We don't trust the government. F the government.
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