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re: Tucker: Kirk assassination used to “Trample” first amendment.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 9:18 am to shinerfan
Posted on 9/20/25 at 9:18 am to shinerfan
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After Carr inserted himself into the story. There's nothing wrong with what ABC did, or what Nexstar did. But Carr was out of line.
Agreed. If ABC affiliates pressure the network into firing Kimmel, that’s one thing. The FCC chairman making comments to influence the situation is a dangerous precedent. If the shoe were on the other foot, a lot of conservatives would be angry. Just because folks don’t like what Kimmel had to say (myself included - it was in very poor taste) doesn’t justify the government getting involved. This is how the US ends up with something like OFCOMS.
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Posted on 9/20/25 at 9:38 am to RobertFootball
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I seem to remember alot of people getting banned from social media for speaking out against the vaccine and losing their jobs for refusing to get it. The left didn’t think that was a free speech problem back then.
I recall calling foul at that as did many other conservatives. I still believe in free speech, while many others seem to have changed their positions on the issue.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 9:42 am to novabill
How was his free speech violated? Hell, he is still a host on an ABC game show.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 9:51 am to Tigerfan1274
The FCC should allow The Alex Jones Show on the public airwaves.
Surely there will be no outcry about free speech.
Surely there will be no outcry about free speech.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 10:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Republicans always seem to blow it when they get the lead.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 10:31 am to udtiger
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So is this guy saying the government shot Kirk?
Posted on 9/20/25 at 10:32 am to RobertFootball
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I seem to remember alot of people getting banned from social media for speaking out against the vaccine and losing their jobs for refusing to get it. The left didn’t think that was a free speech problem back then.
getting fired from your job is not the same as the government arresting you.
free speech only applies to the government, not your employer or twitter
Posted on 9/20/25 at 10:33 am to Corinthians420
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getting fired from your job is not the same as the government arresting you.
It is when its the government firing you..
Which happened en masse.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 10:33 am to shinerfan
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They didn’t actually do anything in this case. ABC made a business decision.
After Carr inserted himself into the story. There's nothing wrong with what ABC did, or what Nexstar did. But Carr was out of line.
at least some people still understand the difference between government limiting free speech and private businesses punishing you for saying the wrong thing.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 10:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It is when its the government firing you.
Government employees do have more protections against being fired for speech, but there are still things that you can be fired for that are protected under the 1st amendment if they affect your job duties.
Pickering v. Board of Education, to weigh the employee's free speech interests against the government's interest in maintaining an efficient workplace.
Speaking as a private citizen: A public employee's speech is generally protected if they are speaking as a private citizen on a matter of public concern. For example, in Rankin v. McPherson, a clerical employee's comment about a public matter was protected because it did not disrupt the workplace.
Speaking as part of job duties: When a government employee speaks as part of their official job duties, the First Amendment does not protect them from discipline. This was established in the case Garcetti v. Ceballos.
Disruptive speech: Even when speaking as a private citizen on a matter of public concern, a government employer may be able to justify termination if the speech is significantly disruptive to the workplace.
This post was edited on 9/20/25 at 10:38 am
Posted on 9/20/25 at 10:39 am to Corinthians420
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Government employees do have more protections against being fired for speech,
You post paragraphs like a woman to dismiss the fact that Government destroyed rights during Covid.
And the left celebrated. Not only celebrated, they rubbed it in the faces of the terminated.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 10:40 am to RogerTheShrubber
None of those cited cases are from covid era.
Pickering v. Board of Education was 1968.
Garcetti v. Ceballos was 2006
how can we protect our 1st amendment rights if people don't understand them first?
The government did trample rights during covid, especially with threatening companies if they didn't force vaccination on employees. that's similar to the Carr/Nexstar stuff and actually worse IMO because it involves personal health.
Pickering v. Board of Education was 1968.
Garcetti v. Ceballos was 2006
how can we protect our 1st amendment rights if people don't understand them first?
The government did trample rights during covid, especially with threatening companies if they didn't force vaccination on employees. that's similar to the Carr/Nexstar stuff and actually worse IMO because it involves personal health.
This post was edited on 9/20/25 at 10:44 am
Posted on 9/20/25 at 10:43 am to Corinthians420
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None of those cited cases are from covid era.
Youre lying and you know it.
Government crushed our rights during Covid and you people celebrated it.'
Posted on 9/20/25 at 10:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Government crushed our rights during Covid and you people celebrated it.'
yes but this topic is about the first amendment.
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The government did trample rights during covid, especially with threatening companies if they didn't force vaccination on employees. that's similar to the Carr/Nexstar stuff and actually worse IMO because it involves personal health.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 10:46 am to Corinthians420
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yes but this topic is about the first amendment.
If the other rights we have arent important, sure.
Govt destroyed our rights during covid.
I didnt see you here complaining about any of it
Posted on 9/20/25 at 10:47 am to RobertFootball
So does it jibe with your values now that MAGA does it?
Is it all about just getting even with the Democrats and one upping them for the opportunity for the proverbial " mike drop"
Is it all about just getting even with the Democrats and one upping them for the opportunity for the proverbial " mike drop"
Posted on 9/20/25 at 10:48 am to Tigerfan1274
Who has the government stopped from speaking? If private companies are firing employees over their speech, that has nothing to do with government.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 10:49 am to KiwiHead
MAGA doesn’t really care about free speech or fighting authoritarianism. They just want their brand of authoritarianism imposed.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 10:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Govt destroyed our rights during covid.
I didnt see you here complaining about any of it
I was too busy moving and trying to navigate work/life to post here during covid.
I didn't get the vaccine, that's my own personal success.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 10:55 am to Bunk Moreland
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MAGA doesn’t really care about free speech or fighting authoritarianism. They just want their brand of authoritarianism imposed.
our government has learned time and time again if you give the people an enemy, they'll gladly give away their rights to take down the enemy.
The Patriot Act proved it.
This post was edited on 9/20/25 at 10:55 am
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