re: Trying to stop child trafficking is now "Qanon-adjacent" and "paranoid"

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Here is the post.

You saw it, b/c you replied to it.

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SFP, perhaps I'm still missing it. The strength of your argument is here:

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The "force" element in trafficking that is often presumed is now based on age. In LA, it's not even 18 (it's 21). So any pimp who has a prostitute under 21 is engaging in "human trafficking", even if no actual force, threats, etc. are used.

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Is that detail included somewhere in your post?


Your arguments throughout this thread suppose government overreach. You finally brought that home with the LA example.

Perhaps specifics of such overreach (such as the <21y/o no force, no coercion LA trafficking law) were buried in one of your links? They were not included, other than general assumption or extrapolation, in your comments. Existing specific examples of government overreach are foundational to your argument.

E.g., I'm not at all empathetic with concerns regarding ANY enforcement of coerced prostitution in minors or children. Not in the least. I couldn't care less whether the pimped kid is a "runaway" or "homeless." Those points in your posts don't gain a sympathetic ear with me, to be kind.

However someone >18y/o, who can consent, falls into a different category IMO. If a girl or guy in those circumstances willingly sleeps with someone in exchange for what the parties agree is fair compensation, there should not be associated criminality attached. Prosecuting such a situation at all is dumb. Extrapolating trafficking laws to expand criminality (if that is happening) is damn well inexcusable.

Antiprostitutionists argue prostitutes put themselves in harms way. They argue nonsensically that legalization would expand that danger. IMO that's BS. But as with the LA trafficking law, it gives government the ability to try and prosecute an elderly widower like Robert Kraft seeking a little sex without any expectation of commitment. Should that be a crime? Not IMO.

However, if the girls involved in the Robert Kraft establishment were held there against their will, the establishment should be shuttered, and its proprietors prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That is my take.