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re: Trying to stop child trafficking is now "Qanon-adjacent" and "paranoid"
Posted on 7/9/23 at 8:48 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/9/23 at 8:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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Define "powerful people".
It was your terminology. Looked like wiggle words to me, but I'm fine w/ that. You normally have facts on hand. Just interested in what they are.
quote:Well, we know it exists. It is just a question as to frequency. Right?
it's hard to get evidence from activity that doesn't exist
Children account for 27% of all the human trafficking victims worldwide, and two out of every three child victims are girls.
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 8:49 am to stout
How is a film trying to stop human trafficking?
Posted on 7/9/23 at 8:52 am to Crimson K
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Just curious what your overall argument is in this thread.
I'll post something I just wrote in the M/TV sister thread:
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The real dishonesty involved (and I'm not claiming you are doing this, but others IIT have) is the "yes and" game. Everyone agrees that trafficking is bad and child sex trafficking is the worst form of it, except there is a population who uses this as a Trojan Horse to promote utter nonsense about ritualistic sexual abuse and sacrifice of American minors for Satanic/Moloch .
That's why being very precise with exactly what is being discussed is important, because before you know it, you're supporting literal insanity. That's why even dishonest arguments like "the child sex trade is surpassing the illegal arms trade" have to be called out. Human trafficking has surpassed the illegal arms trade by some reports. However, as we just discussed, child sex trade is a minute portion of this industry. They use a bit of truth dishonestly to attempt a larger point, because they have ulterior movies (or are NPCs spouting talking points like sheep).
That's why they have to rely on shame-based tactics of full adherence, where any question means they accuse you of supporting child sex trafficking or being a pedo yourself.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 8:53 am to Crimson K
quote:I cannot speak for SFP, but that is certainly the way I see the matter.
you are saying that human trafficking is bad, but that child trafficking, and specifically child sex trafficking, is inflated to make it seem more of an issue than it really is. Fair assessment, or no?
it is like many of the issues that send this board into a tizzy. They see an issue that is real, but with a frequency of one instance in a million, and they convinced themselves that it is one instance in a hundred … and that it is some sort of existential threat, rather than a mere aberration.
This post was edited on 7/9/23 at 8:56 am
Posted on 7/9/23 at 8:54 am to SlowFlowPro
Good post. Without looking, I'd suspect a large portion of human trafficking involves the Gulf Arab countries.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 8:56 am to NC_Tigah
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It was your terminology
I understand, but dishonest actors have tried to strawman it.
See: Page 1 of this thread:
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Let's all remember that the most important thing here is that there is no cabal of rich and powerful people involved in this sex trafficking. It just happens naturally with no profit motive or rich clientele involved whatsoever!
-SFP, probably
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Well, we know it exists
A cabal of powerful people trafficking kids? No. We don't.
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Children account for 27% of all the human trafficking victims worldwide, and two out of every three child victims are girls.
Those victims are primarily trafficked by organized crimes groups, not powerful people (hence why the definitions is important). Dishonest actors are trying to make "powerful people" mean random organized criminal groups in random countries, which is not what's being discussed.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 8:58 am to crazy4lsu
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I'd suspect a large portion of human trafficking involves the Gulf Arab countries.
Primarily Asia and Eastern Europe and Africa (depending on how far back we use the term, b/c they rely on forced military service).
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:09 am to AggieHank86
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They see an issue that is real, but with a frequency of one instance in a million, and they convinced themselves that it is one instance in a hundred … and that it is some sort of existential threat, rather than a mere aberration.
It's because they're subject to moral panics and have gone too far down the Q well to admit how silly they looked in 2020.
They just lie about their intentions and feign outrage to being linked to Q. imjustafatkid couldn't keep his Q shieled up last night though and revealed his true intentions
That's why this movie is being linked to QAnon.
Hell, it's gotten to the point (and I almost made this thread yesterday) that I think Q is legitimately a Leftist psyop utilized to tarnish Patriots and Trump supporters by making them look even crazier.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:13 am to stout
No idea how you could say this is Q-adjacent. I watched the movie and Hillary didn’t get arrested even one time.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:15 am to crazy4lsu
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How is a film trying to stop human trafficking?
By shining a light on maybe?
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:16 am to crazy4lsu
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How is a film trying to stop human trafficking?
Most likely trying to raise awareness among you childless figs who know more about raising kids than anyone.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:18 am to FredBear
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By shining a light on maybe?
Who doesn't know human trafficking exists?
Have you never heard of Blood Diamond?
How did you miss Kony 2012?
In fact, This article highlights the exact paradigm we've experienced on this site:
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Why that happened, and what the episode says about human nature, is the subject of a somewhat pessimistic new paper. It concludes that examining a tough issue in its full complexity dampens emotional involvement on the part of the public, which gets more aroused by black-and-white portrayals of clear-cut enemies.
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A “more nuanced” look at the situation, it reasserted the importance of apprehending Kony, but added that his capture “was only one (however important) step in improving the life of people in the central African regions where he has operated.”
It failed to go viral, receiving relatively little Internet traffic.
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But as much as we like to believe that defeating one evil person will solve our problems, that isn’t the way the world generally works. This research suggests acknowledging that reality saps our enthusiasm for action, and that the most inspiring campaigns are also the most simplistic ones.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:19 am to RogerTheShrubber
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who know more about raising kids than anyone.
What does raising children in America have to do with international human trafficking?
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:27 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:How many times have you and I each been actively attacked by “the public” of this forum, for setting emotion aside and engaging in exactly that sort of rational examination of an issue?
examining a tough issue in its full complexity dampens emotional involvement on the part of the public, which gets more aroused by black-and-white portrayals of clear-cut enemies.
A significant number of our posters affirmatively believe that it is a “good thing“ to be led around by “the feels.”
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:28 am to FredBear
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:28 am to AggieHank86
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How many times have you and I each been actively attacked by “the public” of this forum, for setting emotion aside and engaging in exactly that sort of rational examination of an issue?
While having emotionally raging people scream about how they rely on facts and logic and not emotion
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:31 am to Cobbvol
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Looks like the left-media got their marching orders ...
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“No, he doesn’t hide it at all. And you have a lot of people who are in this world of QAnon who say, oh, they don’t know what that is. They’ve never heard of it. They’re just asking questions,” Rothschild said. “With somebody like Jim Caviezel, he is openly embracing and he’s openly using its catchphrases and its concepts. He’s speaking at QAnon conventions. And this film is being marketed to either specific QAnon believers or to people who believe all of the same tenets as QAnon, but claim they don’t know what it is.”
“And ‘The Sound of Freedom’ does focus on a real issue of sex trafficking. But that theme, it’s sort of like that kernel of truth that feeds the QAnon conspiracy theory. Tell us how those two things work together,” Phillip invited him to elaborate.
The author eagerly complied, “Sure, and the most durable and the most believable conspiracy theories are not entirely false. There’s something in them that is true and the rest of it is false, but the believers point to the one true thing and they say, oh, you don’t believe that this particular thing is true. In terms of child trafficking, we know trafficking is real.”
“We know it has real victims. No one is denying that, but these films are created out of moral panics. They’re created out of bogus statistics. They’re created out of fear,” Rothschild without offering up any examples of the “bogus statistics” that he referred to.
“And with something like ‘Sound of Freedom’, it specifically is looking at QAnon concepts of these child trafficking rings that are run by the high-level elites and only people like Tim Ballard and only people like Jim Caviezel, and by extension, only people like the ticket buyer can help bring these trafficking rings down,” he added. “So, there’s a very participatory element. You’re not just going to see a movie, you’re just killing two hours on a hot day. You are helping bring down these pedophile rings and save children. Now, it’s not true, but it’s a very comforting and it’s a very warm feeling to have.”
Those aren't truth bombs. Those as truth nukes.
This post was edited on 7/9/23 at 9:32 am
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
CNN welcomed author Mike Rothschild, a self-proclaimed expert on the whacky QAnon conspiracy theory/psyop that Democrats and their stooges have effectively used to paint conservatives
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:42 am to Cobbvol
Thanks for showing the undercurrent of conspiracy theories with the supporters of this movie, yet again
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
You seriously read that and thought “truth nukes” 
The moral panic isn’t coming from people going to see the movie…
The moral panic isn’t coming from people going to see the movie…
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