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re: trump’s reopening plan: has the “blessing” of fauci/ Birx, gives governors the nod
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:36 pm to uway
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:36 pm to uway
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We could very well see spikes every time things are opened up, and that would mean this would go on indefinitely until there's a vaccine.
But would spikes be much more likely if you opened everything up completely thus requiring a much more stringent lockdown?
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Which means Trump is endorsing the most cautious approach possible, economy and life be damned.
It seems like he is balancing public health and economic concerns such that we don't have a collapse of either.
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Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:37 pm to NIH
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Sure you are. You’ve been in support of this nonsense from the start.
Support of what?
Please, take the time and go through my post history to find where I supported any specific course of action.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:38 pm to Antonio Moss
The shutdown
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:38 pm to Antonio Moss
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Well, I am looking at a document which pretty clearly indicates that the goalpost haven't shifted.
By requiring the virus to be on a downward trend for 14 days they have absolutely shifted the goalposts if the original goal was not to overwhelm the HC system.
And again, this makes it indefinite.
This post was edited on 4/16/20 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:40 pm to Antonio Moss
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seems like he is balancing public health and economic concerns such that we don't have a collapse of either.
The economy has already collapsed.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:41 pm to the808bass
23 million unemployed must be a drop in the bucket for Antonio
If it saves one life!
If it saves one life!
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:41 pm to NIH
As expected, these are pretty disappointing. I'd be off the trump train too if the only viable alternative wasn't Joe Biden
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:42 pm to Antonio Moss
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But would spikes be much more likely if you opened everything up completely thus requiring a much more stringent lockdown?
Living our lives as we choose to should not be subject to spikes, downward trends, etc!
That's it.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:43 pm to uway
Flatten the curve!!!!!!!!
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:44 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
These guidelines appear to add 60 days before anything can start to look normal
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:44 pm to Redleg Guy
fricking joke.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Will these guidelines affect anything at all? I've heard they don't
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:47 pm to Redleg Guy
With the possibility of spikes between phases and that transitioning between phases requires successive passing of gating criteria 2 or 3 times, the economy CAN'T take off like a rocket because business owners are going to be in data-shock watching the trends day by day to see if they have to shut down again. So they won't be inclined to hire and spend to grow "just in case". That is most certainly NOT a recipe for exponential economic recovery.
This post was edited on 4/16/20 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:48 pm to Redleg Guy
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These guidelines appear to add 60 days before anything can start to look normal
I would think Louisiana will go to phase 1 around May 1st assuming we see a downward trend the rest of April. No?
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:49 pm to Presidio
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With the possibility of spikes between phases and that transitioning between phases requires successive passing of gating criteria 2 or 3 times, the economy CAN'T take off like a rocket because business owners are going to be in data-shock watching the trends day by day to see if they have to shut down again. That is most certainly NOT a recipe for exponential economic recovery.
Exactly. You'll have millions of livelihoods hanging on a bunch of government created numbers they have no control over. And it could go on for months and months.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:51 pm to uway
So much of the gating is behind “robust” testing which we are having problems with national wide. That will draw everything out until June
Posted on 4/16/20 at 4:58 pm to the808bass
By "treat all patients without crisis care", do you think they want everyone off a vent? The use of the word "all" there is strange.
If you have that one poor soul, 95 years old, obese, stage 4 cancer hanging on by a thread for 3 weeks some Open Now folks are going to go in there and smother the guy with a pillow.
If you have that one poor soul, 95 years old, obese, stage 4 cancer hanging on by a thread for 3 weeks some Open Now folks are going to go in there and smother the guy with a pillow.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 5:03 pm to Presidio
It's a given that you're going to have spikes when those who have been hiding in their basements emerge - so there goes passing a gate and back to the basement.
Get everyone out and deal with herd immunity which has to happen eventually anyway.
Get everyone out and deal with herd immunity which has to happen eventually anyway.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 5:03 pm to Presidio
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That is most certainly NOT a recipe for exponential economic recovery.
You need to taper your expectations - if we can avoid an absolutely devastating recession / depression then I will be happy
Posted on 4/16/20 at 5:05 pm to Sneaky__Sally
Not only does this NOT avoid that, it nearly guarantees them.
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