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Trumps female pick identity politics?
Posted on 9/20/20 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 9/20/20 at 9:11 pm
There is a part of me that thinks the President is being hypocritical in playing identity politics with a choice here.
My instinct is to feel that is is not much different than Biden saying his VP pick would be female.
In trying to parse out differences between the two circumstances I find:
- Biden's pick had no precedent. He wasn't replacing a female.
- Trump's pick needs to get approved directly by others. Biden's does not directly.
- both choices cater to women politically having representation
- Justices last longer than VPs so maybe identity does matter more because they dont turn over
- if you can get an ideal ideological match and replace an identity group- maybe that's the best case scenario and that seems to be where he is heading
Again, just coming to grips with some identity politics on the home team for once. I think we all believe for a justice the ideology matters over the identity group.
Republicans should want a conservative minority woman over a liberal white man.
Democrats would have a harder time with their faulty worldview taking a progressive white man picked over a cuban conservative woman....but they would just like their presidential candidate.
My instinct is to feel that is is not much different than Biden saying his VP pick would be female.
In trying to parse out differences between the two circumstances I find:
- Biden's pick had no precedent. He wasn't replacing a female.
- Trump's pick needs to get approved directly by others. Biden's does not directly.
- both choices cater to women politically having representation
- Justices last longer than VPs so maybe identity does matter more because they dont turn over
- if you can get an ideal ideological match and replace an identity group- maybe that's the best case scenario and that seems to be where he is heading
Again, just coming to grips with some identity politics on the home team for once. I think we all believe for a justice the ideology matters over the identity group.
Republicans should want a conservative minority woman over a liberal white man.
Democrats would have a harder time with their faulty worldview taking a progressive white man picked over a cuban conservative woman....but they would just like their presidential candidate.
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Posted on 9/20/20 at 9:13 pm to crazyatthecamp
If a private company said that men need not apply it would get sued.
Plain and simple this is discrimination and it is exactly what the supreme Court should not be about.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 9:14 pm to crazyatthecamp
He should have just named whoever without saying anything about it beforehand.
What can you do, nobody's perfect, I am not voting for Biden over it.
What can you do, nobody's perfect, I am not voting for Biden over it.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 9:15 pm to crazyatthecamp
Prepare to be downvoted even tough you are 100% correct.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 9:20 pm to crazyatthecamp
Pragmatism -- dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.
Pandering -- gratifying or indulging (an immoral or distasteful desire, need, or habit, or a person with such a desire, etc). "Newspapers are pandering to people's baser instincts"
Pandering -- gratifying or indulging (an immoral or distasteful desire, need, or habit, or a person with such a desire, etc). "Newspapers are pandering to people's baser instincts"
Posted on 9/20/20 at 9:22 pm to crazyatthecamp
He should nominate a Black Female....hell, just a black person...the lefts face would melt.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 9:24 pm to bstew3006
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He should nominate a Black Female....hell, just a black person...the lefts face would melt.
Not really, they would still oppose it as fiercely as they did the others and you won’t gain a single vote in the process.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 9:25 pm to crazyatthecamp
Trump picked a qualified candidate who happened to be a woman. He then clued is in that the pick is a woman.
Biden ONLY picks based on race or gender.
Biden ONLY picks based on race or gender.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 9:28 pm to crazyatthecamp
I mean, they're all qualified. It's not like either of these two isn't.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 9:28 pm to crazyatthecamp
Guess I’m sexist/misogynistic, but I believe it is proper to have men rule over a nation, not women. Identity politics be damned.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 9:32 pm to crazyatthecamp
I was hoping he would pick a white make just to have the left jump up and down because he would be replacing a woman.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 9:34 pm to crazyatthecamp
To be honest, idk.
For example... I can say Biden used identity politics to pick his vp, because I know of several other Democrat politicians who would've been a million times better than Kamala. I think that gay dude would've been the best for him. Because he was charismatic and energetic. But, he was shunned because he was a white male.
But I don't know much about judges. I tried to delve into identity politics regarding judges and immediately lost interest after Ada. There are just so many judges and since I don't know shite about any of them, it means starting from scratch, with learning about them. I can't bring myself to do that.
For example... I can say Biden used identity politics to pick his vp, because I know of several other Democrat politicians who would've been a million times better than Kamala. I think that gay dude would've been the best for him. Because he was charismatic and energetic. But, he was shunned because he was a white male.
But I don't know much about judges. I tried to delve into identity politics regarding judges and immediately lost interest after Ada. There are just so many judges and since I don't know shite about any of them, it means starting from scratch, with learning about them. I can't bring myself to do that.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 9:43 pm to NakaTrash
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Guess I’m sexist/misogynistic
Pretty much
. quote:
but I believe it is proper to have men rule over a nation, not women
To each his own.
As for me ... I‘d prefer to be governed by this woman
as opposed to this man.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 10:13 pm to bstew3006
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hell, just a black person...the lefts face would melt
Clarence Thomas says hello.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 10:28 pm to crazyatthecamp
The reason I don't think of it as a big negative here is because he has proven that he will take a white male for this role. He has given white males an equal chance to become his SCOTUS nominee. He did it with his first 2 selections. He has put out multiple lists of potential nominees and it still has white males on the list.
I firmly believe that if Trump could only pick between a white male conservative and a minority female liberal he would pick the white male conservative.
If Joe Biden could only chose between a white male liberal and a minority female conservative, I don't think his choice would be as easy.
That is a crazy unrealistic hypothetical but it gets to the heart of the point. Trump does not completely ignore the identity of these nominees (as no one would) but there is no evidence it is the sole basis for his decision. Biden has basically made it sound like the sole criteria for his VP pick was race and gender. That might not be 100% accurate but that is how it appears based off the public information available.
Biden has even come out and said his SCOTUS nominee would be a black female so that way she could be "the first African American female Justice". The evidence he provides for his pick is based on identity. Trump did not say he will pick a women because she is a women.
I firmly believe that if Trump could only pick between a white male conservative and a minority female liberal he would pick the white male conservative.
If Joe Biden could only chose between a white male liberal and a minority female conservative, I don't think his choice would be as easy.
That is a crazy unrealistic hypothetical but it gets to the heart of the point. Trump does not completely ignore the identity of these nominees (as no one would) but there is no evidence it is the sole basis for his decision. Biden has basically made it sound like the sole criteria for his VP pick was race and gender. That might not be 100% accurate but that is how it appears based off the public information available.
Biden has even come out and said his SCOTUS nominee would be a black female so that way she could be "the first African American female Justice". The evidence he provides for his pick is based on identity. Trump did not say he will pick a women because she is a women.
This post was edited on 9/20/20 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 9/20/20 at 10:38 pm to bod312
Good response.
The point about him already taking 2 white men is a point I had overlooked in my original post and does contribute to the situation overall I think.
I am trying to justify it because superficially it is similar to Biden only taking a female VP and now announcing it will be a black female justice choice.
It is at a deeper level different because he has already picked 2 white guys and his choice needs to get voted on and it is a replacement choice and his list shows a range of qualified candidates.
In contrast Biden is going out of his way to infuse some intersectionality into the court for the sake of diversity and has no list saying otherwise for consideration and he did the same thing for VP.
The nuances are the difference and I just wanted to explore the situation a bit.
MAGA
The point about him already taking 2 white men is a point I had overlooked in my original post and does contribute to the situation overall I think.
I am trying to justify it because superficially it is similar to Biden only taking a female VP and now announcing it will be a black female justice choice.
It is at a deeper level different because he has already picked 2 white guys and his choice needs to get voted on and it is a replacement choice and his list shows a range of qualified candidates.
In contrast Biden is going out of his way to infuse some intersectionality into the court for the sake of diversity and has no list saying otherwise for consideration and he did the same thing for VP.
The nuances are the difference and I just wanted to explore the situation a bit.
MAGA
Posted on 9/21/20 at 12:37 am to crazyatthecamp
quote:
Trumps female pick identity politics?
I see it more as a "let's avoid the 'gang rapist' bullshite again".
Posted on 9/21/20 at 12:43 am to crazyatthecamp
In a perfect world he'd pick whomever he felt was best and that person would be approved with no partisanship involved.
We don't live in a perfect world. Trump needs to nominate the best person who has the best chance of being approved.
It's not pandering. It's pragmatism
We don't live in a perfect world. Trump needs to nominate the best person who has the best chance of being approved.
It's not pandering. It's pragmatism
Posted on 9/21/20 at 12:43 am to crazyatthecamp
Yes
It is identity politics
Because there are more leftists in the Senate than not so there is literally no other option that to settle for identity politics.
If West Virginia did not somehow completely frick that up and Alabama did not completely frick that up it would not be a problem.
But here we are. Where even identity politics is potentially not good enough for the figs in the Senate.
It is identity politics
Because there are more leftists in the Senate than not so there is literally no other option that to settle for identity politics.
If West Virginia did not somehow completely frick that up and Alabama did not completely frick that up it would not be a problem.
But here we are. Where even identity politics is potentially not good enough for the figs in the Senate.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 12:51 am to YF12
Personally, I think it’s a good thing.
As a Republican, I believe more women should be involved. I mean; they make up a majority of our population.
As a Republican, I believe more women should be involved. I mean; they make up a majority of our population.
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