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Trump's Economy Is Fantastic

Posted on 1/18/20 at 5:43 pm
Posted by Barneyrb
NELA
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 1/18/20 at 5:43 pm
Cars in this Barrett-Jackson auction are up 20-30% from last year.
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15732 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 5:59 pm to
Inflation. Get ready.
Posted by OU812
Greensboro, NC
Member since Apr 2004
12570 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 7:29 pm to
My 401K has doubled since he became president! Trump 2020!!!
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 7:38 pm to
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Inflation. Get ready.



WE MUST WRING OUR HANDS ABOUT SOME POSSIBLE CALAMITY AT ALL TIMES!
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
Hammond
Member since Oct 2007
16217 posts
Posted on 1/19/20 at 12:24 am to
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My 401K has doubled since he became president! Trump 2020!!!


And it's going to drop like a rock once he leaves office. Get it while you can.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15048 posts
Posted on 1/19/20 at 1:14 am to
I was posting about this before the LAST election.

On this board people were constantly posting about how they were voting for Trump because of the "lousy economy" and I said, WTF, here on Long Island where I live every employee is desperately looking for workers.

I have two problems with the Trump economy.

1. Part - not all - but a part, is due to tax cuts. But those have increased the budget deficit. I fear this is a sugar high we are on now and when we wake up we will have a massive hangover.

2. Now this is just my feeling, and it is anecdotal, and I could be totally wrong...but in my nearly 60 years on planet earth I dont recall ever recall an economy that felt so exploding but at the same time barely holding on. Example, my cable company is a big one and very profitable one, but they have outsourced so much to English speaking Asian countries like Thailand. And the local restaurants and nipping down their menus. And airlines keep reducing seat sizes and seat pitch. My point is, even though the economy is doing good, something seems, I dunno, just "off". Like people who run the big conglomerates see a disaster down the pike or something. Or maybe this is the new normal, everyone lives off credit which they never they pay off. Or whatever. Something just feels odd.

BUT BUT I am not denying that the economy is good. I just thought it was good four years ago too. Help wanted signs were in almost every mall store I went to.

Have a good night.
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9521 posts
Posted on 1/19/20 at 1:19 am to
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1. Part - not all - but a part, is due to tax cuts. But those have increased the budget deficit. I fear this is a sugar high we are on now and when we wake up we will have a massive hangover.



Well tax rates and monetary policies are two main drivers of an economy... so yeah.

The key point is that we should be reducing taxes, not increasing as the Dems constantly propose.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15048 posts
Posted on 1/19/20 at 1:21 am to
We should not be reducing taxes while we have a budget deficit.
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9521 posts
Posted on 1/19/20 at 1:27 am to
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We should not be reducing taxes while we have a budget deficit.


Oh god


How are you going to ever drive up an economy to produce enough tax revenue to feed your budget?

By keeping taxes high? Great logic
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15048 posts
Posted on 1/19/20 at 1:34 am to
I'm not following you.

You are saying we will raise more taxes now? But we are not.

We have a great economy now (didn't I admit that in my first post...you bet I did) but we also have a massive deficit!

I must be missing your point.
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9521 posts
Posted on 1/19/20 at 1:34 am to
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Inflation. Get ready.


I guess you don't realize what the Fed's main purpose is?
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9521 posts
Posted on 1/19/20 at 1:37 am to
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I'm not following you.

You are saying we will raise more taxes now? But we are not.

We have a great economy now (didn't I admit that in my first post...you bet I did) but we also have a massive deficit!

I must be missing your point.


Yes, the key point you're missing is that you don't tax your way to a balanced budget. That is how the uneducated populace thinks.

You cut taxes and regulations to increase the economy's output, which in turn provides multiples of tax streams in the forms of payroll, sales, etc... Oh and ETA: You certainly don't increase government spending by paying off student debt and offering free healthcare like it's a Fat Tuesday parade throw.

Learning can be fun!
This post was edited on 1/19/20 at 1:39 am
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35055 posts
Posted on 1/19/20 at 1:50 am to
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BUT BUT I am not denying that the economy is good. I just thought it was good four years ago too. Help wanted signs were in almost every mall store I went to.



You’re a socialist. You don’t understand what the economy is. Your feelings and beliefs don’t matter. You don’t matter.

Eat shite, socialist. You and people like you deserve nothing but endless belittling.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15048 posts
Posted on 1/19/20 at 1:57 am to
But what you are suggesting has been done by Trump has only increased the deficit.

Dont believe me, believe Reagan, first President Bush and Second President Bush economic advisor Greg Manikew -
quote:



I used the phrase “charlatans and cranks” in the first edition of my principles textbook to describe some of the economic advisers to Ronald Reagan, who told him that broad-based income tax cuts would have such large supply-side effects that the tax cuts would raise tax revenue. I did not find such a claim credible, based on the available evidence. I never have, and I still don't.

[...]

My other work has remained consistent with this view. In a paper on dynamic scoring, written while I was working at the White House, Matthew Weinzierl and I estimated that a broad-based income tax cut (applying to both capital and labor income) would recoup only about a quarter of the lost revenue through supply-side growth effects. For a cut in capital income taxes, the feedback is larger--about 50 percent--but still well under 100 percent. A chapter on dynamic scoring in the 2004 Economic Report of the President says same thing.


AND

quote:

“Federal revenue is lower today than it would have been without the tax cuts. There's really no dispute among economists about that,” said Alan D. Viard, a former Bush White House economist now at the nonpartisan American Enterprise Institute. “It's logically possible” that a tax cut could spur sufficient economic growth to pay for itself, Viard said. “But there's no evidence that these tax cuts would come anywhere close to that.


SOURCE -

LINK
Posted by SmelvinRat
Slumwoody
Member since Oct 2015
1397 posts
Posted on 1/19/20 at 2:10 am to
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Inflation. Get ready.


We've been waiting for your prediction to be right for 30 years, Alan...

This post was edited on 1/19/20 at 2:11 am
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13425 posts
Posted on 1/19/20 at 2:27 am to
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Yes, the key point you're missing is that you don't tax your way to a balanced budget. That is how the uneducated populace thinks.

You cut taxes and regulations to increase the economy's output, which in turn provides multiples of tax streams in the forms of payroll, sales, etc.


You cant continue to grow your spending by 7% and expect to ever balance the budget.

I believe when its all said and done, the tax cuts were offset by the increase in revenue due to the growing economy.

What you describe of the cable company outsourcing and restaurants cutting back. That sound like local initiatives ie mandatory 15 dollar wages, tha A LOCAL govt issue not federal.
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9521 posts
Posted on 1/19/20 at 2:28 am to
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Eurocat


Your whole premise is that we should form our tax policy around the deficit. That's a socialist way of thinking... and we all know how many great economies were formed from a social structure.

How about cutting regulations and spending so the budget isn't as high to begin with?

Novel ideal eh?
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9521 posts
Posted on 1/19/20 at 2:29 am to
quote:


You cant continue to grow your spending by 7% and expect to ever balance the budget.

I believe when its all said and done, the tax cuts were offset by the increase in revenue due to the growing economy


And I agree with both of these statements
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13425 posts
Posted on 1/19/20 at 2:36 am to
This exerpt is from May 2019....

quote:

The Congressional Budget Office reports in its April budget review that revenues rose 2% to $2.041 trillion in the first seven months of fiscal 2019 from a year ago. Payroll tax revenue rose 4.7% due in part to rising employment and wages.


Now if you search Google, you will find several articles saying taxes did not "rise" and in reading the article you will find a new term to make those words true "taxes as a percentage of GDP".

Nice obfuscation. The question was, did tax revenue rise, yes it did.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 1/19/20 at 2:47 am to
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trinidadtiger


Are you still in trinidad?

Only asking because my brother worked there for several years. No longer there but you may know each other.
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