re: Trump's 'big, beautiful bill' passes key House hurdle after GOP rebel mutiny

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I only asked why Trump was supporting such a big-spending bill that continued with major deficit spending.

That is nowhere near "TDS" especially since so many MAGA diehards ( including multiple posters in this very thread) thought they were getting a bill that addressed our deficit/debt.

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Hands Off!!


Half the country doesn't want to cut spending.


You've got to take small wins as they come.


It's like I say with libertarians. You don't like taxes, so why not vote the guy wanting to lower your taxes? It is not going to Zero overnight. But the other side isn't talking about cutting any taxes.




You are the type of person that says, they aren't cutting enough spending so we shouldn't cut any at all. This is your argument you are defending.

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with the fiscal hawks seeking assurances that stricter crackdowns on Medicaid and green energy subsidies in the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) would be in the final bill before a House-wide vote.

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How was this controversial?

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How was this controversial?

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You gotta understand that the GOP's majority is largely thanks to purple districts in blue states that have large Medicaid programs and probably a fair deal of small businesses that applied and won green energy subsidies (some might even be GOP voting farmers that decided to put in solar cells to power portions of their operation, etc).

They probably needed the carve outs on medicaid crackdowns to minimize damage to their constituencies as much as possible in hopes of not getting blue-wave'd in 2026.

However, as I pointed out earlier, these cuts are not substantial enough to make a difference. The GOP does not have the conviction to do real austerity which is the only real way to resolve a public debt problem if you actually believe it is a problem. They'd need to cut almost all entitlements to the bone likely vastly reducing social security payouts to current recipients and privatization for future recipients, possibly straight up axe medicare and medicaid, and cut the defense budget down to maintenance of existing equipment and personnel. This would destroy vast swathes of industries dependent on government funding like healthcare and defense contractors. Elderly would see a real diminishment of income and a loss of healthcare. However, our deficit would be addressed in short order and the debt erased in some period of years.

Do you think anyone is going to keep a government that taxes them at a high rate and gives them nothing but a frick you? No. Of course not. So the GOP will essentially always run on deficit hawk positions but never really give the US the medicine they promise. At the end of the day, everyone wants all the things that creates deficit spending. It is the contract holding our society together. When your government starts telling the vast majority: "you'll probably never stop working and if you do then you'll have no healthcare coverage but also we're taking large sums of your incomes to pay down something that amounts to monopoly money debt to you," then don't be surprised when politicians are gotten rid of in ways other than the ballot box shortly there after.