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re: Trump willing to end war without opening Hormuz Strait - WSJ
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:51 am to dgnx6
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:51 am to dgnx6
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Seems like sdv and I were the ones that were right not to panic.
You’re always right in your own head. It’s easy to do when the only stance you take is that Trump is always right.
This post was edited on 3/31/26 at 7:53 am
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Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:52 am to slackster
From a guy who hasnt ever been right about anything and post left wing talking points
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:53 am to dgnx6
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You can't bitch about a forever war and then bitch when you don't get it.
This is dumb.
Just because the absolute worst outcome didn't happen and only a terrible one did, doesn't mean we can't discuss the terrible outcome.
Is a terrible outcome better than the absolute worst one? Yes
Is a terrible outcome a good one or above criticism? No
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:53 am to SDVTiger
Funny enough, telling the rest of the world to figure out the Straits of Hormuz is more than likely driven by Trump wanting the rest of the world "to get their hands dirty" in helping push the internal part of the regime change through their regional contacts, proxies, and special forces. The US has a lot of soft power in the middle east, but so does the rest of the world. If the EU nations. India, Pakistan, and the Gulf States are limiting the engagement of their regional contacts, proxies, and supported militias, then this would then force them to put in some effort to get the ground game moving.
If you haven't noticed, most of the world's major militaries (beyond China, Russia, and the US) have atrophied to the point that large-scale force projection (both via land and sea) is almost impossible. The logical conclusion will be that it is easier to actually do the work to overthrow the regime than to do it militarily.
Also, this sets up the potential for a "pay for play" scenario in which the rest of the Gulf States provide financial incentives for the US to do the job instead.
If you haven't noticed, most of the world's major militaries (beyond China, Russia, and the US) have atrophied to the point that large-scale force projection (both via land and sea) is almost impossible. The logical conclusion will be that it is easier to actually do the work to overthrow the regime than to do it militarily.
Also, this sets up the potential for a "pay for play" scenario in which the rest of the Gulf States provide financial incentives for the US to do the job instead.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:53 am to slackster
The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. We are going to let Iran have control of the Strait of Hormuz. We were always going to let Iran have control of the Strait of Hormuz.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:54 am to SlowFlowPro
What is the terrible outcome?
Like WW3?
Like WW3?
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:55 am to Ingeniero
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We are going to let Iran have control of the Strait of Hormuz. We were always going to let Iran have control of the Strait of Hormuz.
And we're apparently going to let the regime stay in power and China to get closer to that regime.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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This is dumb.
No, it's really not.
There are consequences to this isolation nonsense. It's not dumb to point that out.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:56 am to SDVTiger
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What is the terrible outcome?
For purposes of this discussion, the US leaving the international oil economy in shambles and Iran controlling the straight.
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Like WW3?
Uh, no. Nobody except you is irrationally referencing WW3.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:56 am to wackatimesthree
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There are consequences to this isolation nonsense.
Isolation has nothing to do with the US going to war with Iran. They are literal opposites
We're discussing the critique of the fallout of the opposite of isolationism.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:57 am to Bunk Moreland
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Wow
Why are you big mad Trump isn't placating them? They've had every opportunity to assist and chose not to do so. The end of the EU is nearing every single day.
They will be on their own.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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German AfD co-leader Tino Chrupalla on Iran War:
We will not free the Strait of Hormuz with the navy. We must not serve our soldiers as targets.
Spanish ships are allowed through — because Spain closed its bases for the Iran war. Spain is not interfering in this war. And that is right.
We must begin implementing what is written in our basic program — the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Germany.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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The isolationists wanted to kick the ant pile?
No, but ever since the action was taken they (maybe you?) have whined incessantly about "forever wars."
Now that that's not happening, they (maybe you?) are complaining about NOT extending the intervention.
There's nothing dumb about asking you to please make up your fricking minds.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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We're discussing the critique of the fallout of the opposite of isolationism.
Nope.
You're discussing what happens when you don't finish the job.
Right?
Isn't that what you're advocating for?
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:58 am to idlewatcher
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The end of the EU is nearing every single day.
They will be on their own.
Having our largest trading partner decline is a brilliant strategy for our economy
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:59 am to wackatimesthree
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Nope.
You're discussing what happens when you don't finish the job.
Finish what job? Isolationism or its polar opposite?
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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For purposes of this discussion, the US leaving the international oil economy in shambles and Iran controlling the straight.
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Uh, no. Nobody except you is irrationally referencing WW3.
You were crying about this last year. Of course you want to avoid it now after how much you embarrassed yourself. Yoh and Bunk. You even took a week off from your normal 50post a day
Posted on 3/31/26 at 8:00 am to wackatimesthree
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Now that that's not happening, they (maybe you?) are complaining about NOT extending the intervention.
That’s not what people are upset about.
They’re upset about a war that was initiated by us that achieved nothing positive for the United States.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 8:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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Finish what job? Isolationism or its polar opposite?
Pretty sure you know what the real question is.
After all, you've got an IQ of 140, right?
Posted on 3/31/26 at 8:01 am to rmnldr
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They’re upset about a war that was initiated by us that achieved nothing positive for the United States.
Can you link to the military intelligence, including the classified intel, that proves that statement, please?
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