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Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:26 am to Eurocat
quote:Thing is they don't seem to be passing it along. Winning, I'm not tired of winning.
“Yep,” Bessent said. “And the importer can pass it on or not.”
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:26 am to TBoy
quote:
. Trump is taxing the hell out of us and bragging about billions of dollars of new taxes flowing into the treasury. That money comes from us.
Do the other side now where we can't even sell our products overseas because of the high tariffs so business does not prosper here.
Oh yeah you skipped that part
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:26 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Ok well that’s the the thread is about.
I'm not getting into the pedantic argument about "who pays" as much.
quote:Less efficient than what? Were we efficient before the Trump tariffs? Are there no other factors that hold any weight?
Just the one about how the self sufficient model that tariffs build is less efficient and would have real world impacts on our economy and society.
I could easily latch on to the idea that market participants find ways to have you and me pay the tariffs. Y’all are aren’t giving me anything to latch on to.
Just out here saying “yes huh you pay them and if not, well, you will soon!”
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:27 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Again, show your work.
Replacing higher-paying, scalable jobs with lower-paying, non-scalable jobs
|these standalone, silly assertions are boring.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:27 am to SlidellCajun
quote:
Bottom line, you’re paying more for stuff
How much more and for which stuff
Cause I havent noticed any difference
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:27 am to TrueTiger
quote:
I don't think there's much more room for that
I would hope so, but the current admin is trying to get interest lowered to get more debt flowing.
But let's just say you're right. You still haven't addressed this
quote:
Smaller GDP = less tax revenue. Lower national wages = less FICA collection. The major spending is already set.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:28 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Another off-the-wall assumption.
I did address this. It also hurts your argument about the incomes from that domestic production, as those efficiencies will mean Americans aren't even getting those jobs.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:28 am to dafif
quote:
Do the other side now where we can't even sell our products overseas because of the high tariffs so business does not prosper here.
We had 2 trillion in exports.
We mfg and export higher value products which have higher profit margins and less global competition.
And it works.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:30 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:
Just out here saying “yes huh you pay them and if not, well, you will soon!”
When they become more permanent, ultimately prices are going to increase. Now, if you want to say that's not consumers "paying for the tariffs" because the actual exchange for the tariffs occurred prior is whatever. That's not an distinction that matters to me.
What I care about is the ultimate effect and higher prices (and the inefficiencies that will cause, and then the secondary effects of those inefficiencies)
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:30 am to Ten Bears
quote:
Inflation is up, not down
No its not
quote:
Job creation is pitiful
Its been pitful for 4yrs now
quote:
GDP growth sucks
Construction spending down
Maybe Powell should cut the fricking rates
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:31 am to SDVTiger
quote:
How much more and for which stuff
Even domestic prices will increase. You'll pay more regardless.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:31 am to SDVTiger
quote:Me either
Cause I havent noticed any difference
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Even domestic prices will increase. You'll pay more regardless.
Yeah break down which ones and how much
Your dumbarse has been saying this for a long time and you havent been right ever
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I’m curious why you didn’t address OP saying Trump is penalizing and taxing us right now.
SlowFlowPro
Just leaped right over it to address some MAGA retard’s rebuttal of it.
I’d say that falls in line with what I constantly claim you do. You say you don’t do it.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:35 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Smaller GDP = less tax revenue. Lower national wages = less FICA collection. The major spending is already set.
That's where people living within their means comes in.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:36 am to RollTide4547
quote:
Cause I havent noticed any difference
Me either
Its coming bro. Trust SFP and Roger even tho SFP is denying hes saying trust him its coming
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:36 am to SDVTiger
quote:
Yeah break down which ones and how much
Been explained to you hundreds of times and you still dont have the cognitive ability to understand.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:36 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:
I’m curious why you didn’t address OP saying Trump is penalizing and taxing us right now.
I explained in the post to which you replied (and in my last one). It's a pedantic argument.
My first post was in response to this one on page 1:
quote:
One system puts pressure on a group to be self sufficient.
The other system makes the group depend on outsiders.
Which system do you think we should have?
THAT is a meaningful discussion about tariffs, their goal, and impacts.
Baked into that discussion is American consumers facing higher prices due to tariffs, so the "gotcha" in OP becomes irrelevant.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 7:39 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I don’t want to say that.
Now, if you want to say that's not consumers "paying for the tariffs" because the actual exchange for the tariffs occurred prior is whatever. That's not a distinction that matters to me.
I want to say frick this if prices increase and I can’t causally get around them.
I also want y’all to be more honest. Might help if you’d ever coach both sides instead of just us retard MAGA types.
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