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re: Trump Signs Directive That Could Deploy US Military in Mexico: Report
Posted on 8/9/25 at 11:50 am to 14&Counting
Posted on 8/9/25 at 11:50 am to 14&Counting
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It will reduce supply when they know there is no safe haven and the penalty is death.
You mean like their literal day to day existence? That they choose to live?
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 11:50 am to SlowFlowPro
Those are not the main issues. But you know that.
My only response to you. You and your alter, Roger can pound sand.
Signed. And done. Nothing you can do about it.
My only response to you. You and your alter, Roger can pound sand.
Signed. And done. Nothing you can do about it.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 11:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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They will keep popping up in perpetuity. I don't know what y'all don't understand about that.
Its beyond frustrating.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 11:52 am to 14&Counting
Yep
Posted on 8/9/25 at 11:52 am to 14&Counting
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There will always be rats in the cellar but the idea is to keep them out of the main house.
If the drugs arent coming across the border, they're being mfg here.
Inside the main house. You cannot stop a market as viable as the US drug market.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 11:54 am to Jjdoc
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Those are not the main issues.
Which drug is?
You can substitute any drug in there and it works. Fentanyl production for recreational use? Fine. Just plug it in.
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You and your alter, Roger
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Signed. And done. Nothing you can do about it.
I knew this was above your ability
Posted on 8/9/25 at 11:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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We are talking about an indigenous population that we will never be able to fit into, who can hide among the populace with impunity.
We have plenty of brown people who can fit in and hide among the populace. But that’s not really the point.
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We will be dealing with constant collateral damage, further promoting domestic protection of the bad guy. Hell, Mexico even has terrain issues (including mountains).
I don’t really care that much about collateral damage to be honest. Ideally we’d keep it as low as possible just because killing innocents isn’t really on my list of cool things to do.
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We just see how this probably isn't the best operation.
What’s the best way then? Roger’s solution is to live in a libertarian utopia where nothing is regulated or taxed and we all know that’s never gonna happen.
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I agree, but the problem is this just means another cartel will form when we leave. Just like what happened immediately after us leaving Afghanistan.
If I were making the plan we’d never “be there” to begin with. Drop bombs, send in the ninjas on midnight raids and get them out, hire assassins to kill cartel members.
When the next one pops up send in the ninjas again.
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They will keep popping up in perpetuity. I don't know what y'all don't understand about that.
I understand. And I don’t care. We have lots of bullets.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 12:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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ou cannot stop a market as viable as the US drug market.
Agree with you. Human beings have a propensity to want to do drugs. It's a multi-faceted problem and its a war that will never be won win its entirety.
I just think the these cartels need to stop being viewed as just a crime problem and need to be dealt with as a trans-national, national security threat on par with al-Qaeda or ISIS. They are a key aspect of this complex problem that needs to be addressed, with extreme prejudice in my opinion, and we can focus on the rest of it as well. We really haven't tried it yet and they need to be dealt with accordingly although like al-Qaeda it will never entirely go away.
Just my opinion.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 12:02 pm to Geekboy
A few leaders receiving the Soleimani treatment needs to happen.
Boots on the ground would be stupid. Unacceptable for Mexico & America. Drones are the answer.
Boots on the ground would be stupid. Unacceptable for Mexico & America. Drones are the answer.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 12:08 pm to 14&Counting
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Agree with you. Human beings have a propensity to want to do drugs. It's a multi-faceted problem and its a war that will never be won win its entirety.
Particularly here where our corporatized society doesnt give meaning to many lives.
Escapism is our remedy.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 12:17 pm to KiwiHead
I would agree if this was 1945 and the United States was on verge of invading mainland Japan.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 12:30 pm to KiwiHead
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You can't be serious with that question? Wait this is TD with uber policy experts who think taking a sledgehammer into a swamp will work for everything.
Never claimed to be a policy expert, actually implied otherwise.
That said, you didn’t answer my question but instead stated we would have 120 million pissed off Mexicans to our south.
Firtstly, I don’t agree with you about an entire country being pissed about the U.S. taking out the cartels.
Secondly, maybe I wasn’t clear, but what actions do you believe Mexico would take against the U.S. if we did?
Would love to hear your explanation and how you would address this differently.
This post was edited on 8/9/25 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 8/9/25 at 1:21 pm to Yakker
They’ll still have more military aged males in our country even if we send the whole army
Don’t think we agreed to be invaded, but you probably wouldn’t say that we have
Don’t think we agreed to be invaded, but you probably wouldn’t say that we have
Posted on 8/9/25 at 3:04 pm to KiwiHead
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If you want 120 million people to your south really pissed at you , be my guest and send in military units for a protracted occupation of their territory. You think violence from drugs is bad......try wholesale violence
Your assuming that 120 million Mexican citizens support being held hostage by cartels, daily seeing corpses hanging from bridges, etc.
This topic has been discussed extensively here. Nobody suggests a traditional military invasion of Mexico, rather surgical strikes with full military and intelligence support.
This along with IC focus on whichever targeted cartel business and operational digital information..... they stand zero chance.
And if you think any cartel could defend itself from being targeted by Delta Force operations, your delusional and really should stop responding to this topic.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 7:29 am to cyarrr
You presuppose that American troops on the ground would be seen as "liberators" of a sort. We have at least 3 examples since 1960 where it's demonstrated not to be the case.
Someone spoke of bombing. The fastest way to accelerate problems is by bombing, even if it is " targeted". Plus we don't have the manpower to hold large amounts of territory deep inside Mexico.
If you think the cartel guys are a bunch of ragtag fighters you would be wrong. We would be initiating hostilities against a populous neighbor that we also share a 1500 mile border with. So while on offense, we also will have to play a fair amount of defense with key vulnerabilities.
Someone spoke of bombing. The fastest way to accelerate problems is by bombing, even if it is " targeted". Plus we don't have the manpower to hold large amounts of territory deep inside Mexico.
If you think the cartel guys are a bunch of ragtag fighters you would be wrong. We would be initiating hostilities against a populous neighbor that we also share a 1500 mile border with. So while on offense, we also will have to play a fair amount of defense with key vulnerabilities.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 7:34 am to Geekboy
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The Left HATES stuff like this.
The Left HATES anything Trump does or suggest, good or bad.
They look like a bunch of morons for it too, the country is trying to heal and they a doing everything they can to stop it.
They are a cancer on society
Posted on 8/10/25 at 7:39 am to The Torch
This isn't really a left/right issue.
This is a "who remembers the WOT?" issue, based on how closely you view the comparison.
That's why the responses to pointing out the similarities are so poor. Just look at them in this thread. Pointing out all the blatant, neon-bright issues get a "don't care", and, ultimately when backed into a corner, you get the "so you just want to do NOTHING?" strawman in exasperation of a defense of the policy.
This is a "who remembers the WOT?" issue, based on how closely you view the comparison.
That's why the responses to pointing out the similarities are so poor. Just look at them in this thread. Pointing out all the blatant, neon-bright issues get a "don't care", and, ultimately when backed into a corner, you get the "so you just want to do NOTHING?" strawman in exasperation of a defense of the policy.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 9:13 am to KiwiHead
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You presuppose that American troops on the ground would be seen as "liberators" of a sort. We have at least 3 examples since 1960 where it's demonstrated not to be the case.
Nope, but I do believe it would be welcome by some.
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Someone spoke of bombing. The fastest way to accelerate problems is by bombing, even if it is " targeted". Plus we don't have the manpower to hold large amounts of territory deep inside Mexico.
I never suggested this and don't believe "holding large amounts of territory" would be on the table.
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If you think the cartel guys are a bunch of ragtag fighters you would be wrong. We would be initiating hostilities against a populous neighbor that we also share a 1500 mile border with. So while on offense, we also will have to play a fair amount of defense with key vulnerabilities.
I think everyone on here but you is referencing surgical strikes and special ops. Also, do you actually believe that the cartel has the might, sophistication and resources equal to the U.S?
Again, you have explained you position multiple times on the mistake it would be to invade but haven't answered the question as to what action you take.
This post was edited on 8/10/25 at 9:15 am
Posted on 8/10/25 at 9:17 am to cyarrr
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Also, do you actually believe that the cartel has the might, sophistication and resources equal to the U.S?
No, I'll let former Delta operator John McFee explain the problems
Posted on 8/10/25 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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No, I'll let former Delta operator John McFee explain the problems
I'll let former Iranian General Qasem Soleimani explain, oh wait...
Nearly 500,000 posts? Holy shite my man, are you ever not posting?
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