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re: Trump recorded pressuring Michigan canvassers not to certify 2020 vote.

Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:33 am to
Posted by RollTide71
Member since Dec 2023
1764 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:33 am to
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end-of-the-world-our-democracy-is-at-stake actions.
Unless they were worried that their cheating actions would be found out. If you are hiding nothing from your spouse, would you really be concerned if they look at your phone/email? Now what about if you are hiding something?
Posted by PorkSammich
North FL
Member since Sep 2013
17576 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:45 am to
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Are you not aware of the mountains of evidence? Either you’re willfully ignorant or you’re just lying. Which is it?


Trump said he caught the Libs red-handed and would release devastating information.

Was he lying or willfully ignorant?
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36755 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:46 am to
Words are important. Those were not his words.

**And of course out old friend “context” is still as important as ever too.
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 11:49 am
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22726 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:58 am to
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rump said he caught the Libs red-handed and would release devastating information.

Was he lying or willfully ignorant?

I think MAGA is just dumb about making the election fraud argument. There are legit issues that need to be uncovered and fixed, but the Right's version of the Left's "literal Hitler!" faction buy into every single stupid fraud theory, and that takes up way too much of the oxygen in the room, which makes everything else too easily discounted. Look at the Kari Lake loss in 2022 as an example - legit ballot custody and signature verification issues go nowhere because everybody buys into BO tabulators causing disenfranchisement nonsense, and that crowds out legit issues.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98073 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:00 pm to
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Look at the Kari Lake loss in 2022


Its amazing you still believe this and claim you live in AZ
Posted by RollTide71
Member since Dec 2023
1764 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:02 pm to
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David_DJS
So ALL of the swing states "stop counting" at the same time, yet they actually don't stop counting. They just say they are, so the poll watchers leave. There are videos of this very thing happening in Ga. But there is no fraud going on, right? Let me guess, the checks in the mail too.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299684 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:04 pm to
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Trump said he caught the Libs red-handed and would release devastating information.






Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22726 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:06 pm to
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So ALL of the swing states "stop counting" at the same time, yet they actually don't stop counting. They just say they are, so the poll watchers leave. There are videos of this very thing happening in Ga. But there is no fraud going on, right? Let me guess, the checks in the mail too.

Do you understand written English? How did you not read that I believe there are legit voter fraud issues?
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 12:08 pm
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22726 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:07 pm to
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Its amazing you still believe this and claim you live in AZ

You're such a retard, you're a riot. You know better than me who I vote for, what my emotions are, and where I live.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
10088 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:08 pm to
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Old news. Being recycled now to try and pressure other states to remove Trump from the ballot (Ronbots rejoice)


you really are a pathetic, thin-skinned little polyp. Lord.
Posted by RollTide71
Member since Dec 2023
1764 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:10 pm to
Yes, actually I do understand the written word, not sure the same can be said for you. You said this
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I think MAGA is just dumb about making the election fraud argument.
So you believe there were voter fraud issues, but Trump supporters are dumb for pointing those issues out?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22726 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:13 pm to
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Yes, actually I do understand the written word

I don't think you do. Not where politics is concerned anyway.

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So you believe there were voter fraud issues, but Trump supporters are dumb for pointing those issues out?

If you understood written English, you'd realize the whole point of my post was that Trump supporters believe in bullshite voter fraud issues to the degree that all the focus/energy on the nonsense crowds out the prosecution of the legit issues.
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 12:14 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128779 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:14 pm to
You’re trying to halve the baby.
Posted by RollTide71
Member since Dec 2023
1764 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:20 pm to
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I don't think
This I agree with. You don't think, not very well anyway.

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bullshite voter fraud issues to the degree
What was bullshite about the video in Atlanta where the counting stopped, watchers left, the women took cases of ballots (not votes) from under tables, opened them and then proceeded to run them thru the tabulators multiple times? I watched it with my own eyes. How many fake votes could a couple of these ladies add to bidens total before the morning 10 or 12 thousand? Now multiply that 6-10 offices and you got over a 100K biden votes. There is absolutely NOTHING that makes me think this only occurred in ONE office and ONLY in Ga.
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 12:22 pm
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22726 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:35 pm to
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What was bullshite about the video in Atlanta where the counting stopped, watchers left, the women took cases of ballots (not votes) from under tables, opened them and then proceeded to run them thru the tabulators multiple times? I watched it with my own eyes. How many fake votes could a couple of these ladies add to bidens total before the morning 10 or 12 thousand? Now multiply that 6-10 offices and you got over a 100K biden votes. There is absolutely NOTHING that makes me think this only occurred in ONE office and ONLY in Ga.

You typed all that out like I argued the shite in Atlanta was fake. I didn't. I didn't post anything about Georgia.

Go back to that first post of mine and read it. Don't add words and don't leave any out. I used the AZ '22 election for governor as the example, and explained that the mistake made was buying into faulty tabulators causing voter disenfranchisement - that was the focus of nearly all the attention (and fundraising) and it didn't happen. All that attention on something that didn't happen took the focus/effort away from ballot custody/signature verification, which are the real issues.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
26293 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:37 pm to
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Explain to us how else was he supposed to go about questioning the election? Enlighten us how else it could have been handled that would have led to the result of the election being investigated or at least paused. I bet you don’t answer.


You get allies in Congress to lead investigations after the fact.

It was a fool’s errand to think anything would be done in time to affect the electoral vote or inauguration. The only possible outcome is exactly what happened: a framing of the efforts as an attempt to subvert the process.

You people seem incapable of understanding that the process matters. It’s all “muh feels”.


Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299684 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:45 pm to
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So you believe there were voter fraud issues,


Of course there were.

But no one has laid it out with a trail that shows how it cost Trump the election.

With the biggest budget in the world up for grabs, there will be cheating in any election.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
26293 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:58 pm to
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You have to be an actual retard to believe they didn’t cheat to get this jerkoff into power.


Looking for where I said anything like that.



It is mind boggling to me how people have completely lost the ability to see the point being made and will instinctively jump to straw men.

Trump had legitimate complaints to the process.

Trump went about the process badly.

By both can be true at the same time, but his sycophants here won’t hear it.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128779 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:17 pm to
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faulty tabulators causing voter disenfranchisement - that was the focus of nearly all the attention (and fundraising) and it didn't happen.


How do you know it didn’t happen?
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
11173 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:19 pm to
Technically…he screwed himself. This is election interference.

In reality…it’s a nothing-burger because nothing happened.
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