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re: Trump on FOX - we're doing away with federal air traffic control
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:12 pm to stelly1025
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:12 pm to stelly1025
Contract out the army.
Contract out prisons.
Contact out atc.
Contract out anything republicans can suck off usa treasury tit.
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Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:52 pm to DownSouthJukin
quote:lulz, that Maylasian flight was told not to fly over Ukrane, the company ignored it due to extra fuel burn.
gets them shot down flying over a war zone or anything
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:59 pm to Wtodd
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A federal judge could make them fly and they would have to comply
Or what? I'm not being a smart arse, I genuinely don't know. Can the government literally force a person to go to work or be jailed? If so, why is unemployment even a thing?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 3:02 pm to Sidicous
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about $60k in 1985-6 dollars of Student Loans.
Peanuts to what it cost now. I switched to aviation management because I didn't want to pay those flight fees.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 3:05 pm to Homesick Tiger
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Our controllers are already unionized aren't they?
Yes.
Another thing to take out of this is that for every one controller there is probably two or three nonessential persons working a fed job for the FAA. Some are needed most are not. With this "new" tech many of the support jobs will be history. With the privatization some of the fat is going to be trimmed.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 3:09 pm to Jeff Boomhauer
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Can the government literally force a person to go to work or be jailed?
Maybe forced to work or be fired. You wouldn't want to threaten a controller to go to work about as much as you wouldn't want to threaten a surgeon to preform surgery against their will.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 3:41 pm to DevilDogTiger
I hear the Canada comparison all the time. Remember that SOCAL works as many planes a day as all of Canada. The US NAS really has no other system to be compared to.
The major problem is that regardless of technology, you only have so much capacity at a given airport. At peak hours at ATL, for example, there reallly is no way to shoehorn another five jets per hour in there.
What is being proposed is to take the busiest, safest air traffic system in the world and give it to airlines. Yes, the same airlines that oversell seats and beat your arse if you question them.
The major problem is that regardless of technology, you only have so much capacity at a given airport. At peak hours at ATL, for example, there reallly is no way to shoehorn another five jets per hour in there.
What is being proposed is to take the busiest, safest air traffic system in the world and give it to airlines. Yes, the same airlines that oversell seats and beat your arse if you question them.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:03 pm to DevilDogTiger
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With this "new" tech many of the support jobs will be history. With the privatization some of the fat is going to be trimmed.
It's not the entire FAA going away. It's the Air Traffic Organization (ATO) that's being spun off. The FAA will still exist for oversight and regs.
The ATO consists of ATC and Tech Ops. Controllers and Techs will only move to the new org. Techs aren't going anywhere, there will still be radars, navaids, radios, etc to maintain.
DoD won't allow any of the radars to go away. They get feeds from most of them. ADS-B will supplement radar for more efficient navigation.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:07 pm to Yak
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Man, honestly this scares the shite out of me. One frick up means hundreds of deaths. Personally for me if radar has worked this well for so long, why screw it up? My wifi goes out when a cat farts in it's general direction...one glitch can be really bad.
If you saw what ATC was currently running on, it would scare you even more. The only concern I have is killing general aviation. I don't mean at main airports, we already don't mix that traffic. I mean turrning America into Europe and charging massive user fees. That's what the fuel surcharges are for.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:12 pm to Tesla
quote:Except for the near-zero level of deaths for years and years.
If you saw what ATC was currently running on, it would scare you even more.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:13 pm to Homesick Tiger
Two interesting things from Cato:
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nonprofit Nav Canada
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What is the opposition The Hill refers to? The corporate jet lobby—the National Business Aviation Association (NBAA)—is against reform, and it raises the spectre of higher fees under a privatized system.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:14 pm to 257WBY
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The major problem is that regardless of technology, you only have so much capacity at a given airport. At peak hours at ATL, for example, there reallly is no way to shoehorn another five jets per hour in there. What is being proposed is to take the busiest, safest air traffic system in the world and give it to airlines. Yes, the same airlines that oversell seats and beat your arse if you question them.
Actually, there is much more capacity. AIR21 brought much of this to light. The reason for 3 mile in trail separation is laughable when you consider RVSM puts you nose to nose at 1,000knt closure an 1,000' separation. Terminal ops are going to be much more efficient with ASD-X and ADS-B. It's time to adjust.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:23 pm to Tesla
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If you saw what ATC was currently running on, it would scare you even more.
STARS and ERAM are currently the state of the art as far as automation systems go. There are others, but I doubt they are much better.
The issue is the implementation of ADS-B within these automation systems. The airlines say it's taking too long. Again, this is because of the size of our Airspace and decreased funding sources. Its basically been starved for the last decade in order to show that it's a failure.
The ADS-B ground stations are all in place, they have been for years. We're just now getting to the point that we can implement them within the modernized automation systems. They probably will be mostly implemented by the time the spin off happens, meaning that we all paid for it, and now we'll be handing it over for free to a board of trustees that consists of airlines and NATCA.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:42 pm to Remote Controlled
State of the art in the ATC world, but not in overall tech. We should already have CPDLC via 1090 MHz (it's possible from the Xponder/GPS Navigator side). That would reduce errors and smooth entry/exit to the overhead stream, increasing capacity. Many other examples.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:44 pm to Tesla
quote:Negative. TDKTF has already made it clear that BSGT has no more than 1964 GHz as pertaining to the install of TransCon 20X2.
State of the art in the ATC world, but not in overall tech. We should already have CPDLC via 1090 MHz (it's possible from the Xponder/GPS Navigator side). That would reduce errors and smooth entry/exit to the overhead stream, increasing capacity. Many other examples.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:48 pm to Tesla
We're using CPDLC in SOCAL at all of the OEP airports. We are in the process of upgrading routes and fixes with metroplex, the GBTs are all online, but won't be utilized until metroplex can be implemented and poured over for problems.
My point is, the tech is being implemented, albeit slowly, and will be mostly online by the time the spin off happens. We'll be paying for it, and then giving it away.
My point is, the tech is being implemented, albeit slowly, and will be mostly online by the time the spin off happens. We'll be paying for it, and then giving it away.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:08 pm to Remote Controlled
Tesla, less than 3 miles on final because the lead aircraft must clear the runway. If the runway isn't clear, you have a go around which doesn't help. The bottleneck in the system is at the major airports. Again, how much separation on final are you willing to give up?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:19 pm to 257WBY
There's also wake turbulence to consider. You don't want to be a mile in trail behind a jumbo on final.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:20 pm to Homesick Tiger
Why does this make me nervous?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:22 pm to Homesick Tiger
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