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re: Trump needs to condemn white nationalists and alt-right groups

Posted on 8/12/17 at 9:52 pm to
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 9:52 pm to
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Or are the propagandists assigning it to them?



On the off chance this is true, fine

But chances are, it was just some mouthbreathing loser. What is with the need to defend that person?
Posted by GEAUXmedic
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 9:54 pm to
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Has the "alt-right" claimed responsibility for today?



RICHARD SPENCER... the guy who fricking STARTED the rally today was the guy who created the term ALT-RIGHT to describe his group of retards. The media assigned alt-right to the rest of the right that supported Trump.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 9:55 pm to
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RICHARD SPENCER... the guy who fricking STARTED the rally today was the guy who created the term ALT-RIGHT to describe his group of retards.
WRONG.

alt-right has been around long before him.
Posted by Robin Masters
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 9:57 pm to
Wouldn't the President condemning certain specific groups by name be a de facto Free Speech violation?
Posted by ctiger69
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 9:57 pm to
Trump needs to condemn left wing terroist.


Fixed it.
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 10:00 pm to


Statement from Ted Cruz. Compare to trump's milquetoast comments.
Posted by GEAUXmedic
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 10:03 pm to
^That's a real statement.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 10:03 pm to
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Old Hellen Yeller
You're trying to sell the narrative that today was a one sided affair where white racist nationalists klan members beat up on peaceful protesters.

It wasn't. There was violence all around today that culminated in the death of an innoncent.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 10:04 pm to
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How can you not admit he needs to condemn BOTH sides


He literally did
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 10:06 pm to
frick Ted Cruz. Someone give me a call when he calls BLM repulsive, evil, and domestic terrorists.

Trump's tweet was better.

We must fight hate and there is no place for violence. That's a that needs to be said.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 10:52 pm to
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Trump needs to condemn white nationalists and alt-right groups



Trump didn't even call out Black Lives Matter and SJWs by name and he based a lot of his campaign against them.

Even when I didn't support Trump in the primaries and voted against him, I didn't give a shite about Trump not condemning this or that as it has no effect on my life.

Trump has been very specific if he wants to criticize something, just ask that Mexican judge, the Khans, Mika, his own AG, Mitch McConnell. He doesn't want to be specific right now.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 10:56 pm to
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And trump has the rare chance to consolidate both sides while excluding fringe groups.



That's cute.

There's really nothing that can be done to make that happen. It's just not possible at all.

I've already seen a lot of republicans and conservatives still get bashed today even when they call these protestors out by name.

There's just no winning here.

Just issue a vague and general statement and call it a day there.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:26 pm to
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Trump needs to condemn white nationalists and alt-right groups by GEAUXmedic



That's not going to sit well with David duke and strannix. That will take then well below 1000%!!!
Posted by D011ahbi11
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:30 pm to
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That's cute.

There's really nothing that can be done to make that happen. It's just not possible at all.

I've already seen a lot of republicans and conservatives still get bashed today even when they call these protestors out by name.

There's just no winning here.

Just issue a vague and general statement and call it a day there.


Doesn't matter. You do the right thing because it's the right thing, not because people will applaud you universally for it.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:47 am to
Y'all are a fricking joke. Calling out specific groups by name only serves to pander and to divide. It's better to unify. Why give attention to those fringe groups at all?

Here's what Trump said:

We must remember this truth: No matter our color, creed, religion or political party, we are ALL AMERICANS First. We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one!

What's wrong with that?

Rather than galvanize one side or the other by calling out anyone specific he makes a statement about hate and unity. And you people melt. This is exactly how this should've been handled.

He'll never make you happy. Ever
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 8/13/17 at 6:44 am to
Why does Trump need to condem anything? Our society is so weak these days. Every rational person knows what happened in charoltteville is trash. Why does CNN need words to make them feel better?

How about everyone uses common sense and ignores fringe groups? Instead of vastly exaggerating their membership and effect by demanding useless PR statements for muh feelz
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 6:49 am
Posted by chickenpotpie
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 8/13/17 at 6:57 am to
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How can you not admit he needs to condemn BOTH sides.


Wasn't it the right that legally filed for a permit to assemble? Did the left get a permit for their protest? Does the right routinely show up to left rallies with the intent to cause violence and disrupt a peaceful assembly? How about we condemn the people actually starting the violence instead of those just prepared to defend themselves while exercising their constitutional rights?
Posted by eddieray
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 8/13/17 at 7:04 am to
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Message Trump needs to condemn white nationalists and alt-right groups


He doesn't have the nuts
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 8/13/17 at 7:07 am to
If you condemn alt-right you just legitimize them in a way. Just condemn any and all racist and violent behavior.
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 7:10 am to
You have zero objectivity. It's plain as day that the way to kill these ideologies is to give them zero attention and zero credibility. Demanding useless PR statements that have zero, absolutely zero, practical effects only gives a voice to those groups.

This goes for BLM, Nazis, all of them. Sure speak out against the violence. But absolutely no one who isn't a biased hack actually needs POTUS to "condemn" this. Every rational adult alive condemns violence and the ideologies on display there yesterday
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 7:12 am
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