re: Trump names H1B Lover Sriram Krishan as Senior Policy Advisor for AI - Huge Trump L

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Does his extreme position fit with America First when it boots American citizens out of jobs?

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You do realize that in some markets we have a labor shortage right? There aren't enough Americans to fill the demand of these jobs.

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How do you change it?

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Don't back student loans for degrees with 0 earning potential compared to HS graduates

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Yeah. But the guy is for the removal of caps.

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Yeah because we still have a labor shortage in that market. I don't think you realize how much of a zero sum game the AI race is. You're ok with losing to China in this race because we're too proud to bring in some Indians? I'm not. Because I'm not a small minded fricking idiot.

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You can argue the merits of it but I'm saying it's contradictory to Trump's projection of America First.

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It is absolutely not contradictory in any way.

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He's against those exporting manufacturing, but supportive of those pro importing cheap labor?

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You think AI specialists on H1B visas are going to be cheap?

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You can be America first and pro H1B.

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With the data that's out there, I don't see how this can be true.

Workers get screwed - both the H1B workers and American workers.

There's no data suggesting that the H1B workers are better - they are just cheaper. This means Americans are forced out of jobs, not because they refuse to work for lower wages, or because they offer substandard work, but often they have wages that were set by the market and negotiated for properly, then companies use H1B to go out and find someone they can put the screws to, that will work for far less. This doesn't even allow the American worker to compete.

Trump holds huge leverage here with these tech companies via H1B. He won't use it. He could crush the censorship industrial complex but since he wants to suck up to fellow billionaires, he won't do that. These tech enterprises and entities like Amazon that censor and serve as parrots for the deep state, as well as universities like Stanford and the Cal State system all use H1B extensively, and places like Stanford are heavy into the censorship efforts.

So many levers to pull here.

Finally, these entities involved in censorship, for example - they bring in H1B people from other nations that don't have our Constitution, they don't have our values, our freedoms, or our desire for freedom. They tell them to write code or review accounts or whatever as part of the censorship activity and these people don't care. They're not Americans. They're not losing anything and it's not their countries getting destroyed. And because the companies have so much leverage over them, it makes things worse. If you remember the former CEO at Twitter, before Elon bought it, that guy was openly against free speech and he was not from America. This is what happens when you flood the zone with people that have no loyalty or affinity for this nation.

I don't see any way to argue that you can be America First and pro-H1B.

I don't think you guys really get it. There are 2 things that are as close to zero sum games in the world right now

AI
Quantum computing

If you want to obsess over whatever dumb political leanings you have about immigrants then be my guest. But that's absolutely a losing proposition for America. If we can take the best from countries like India to help fill important roles in these sectors it is very much in our best interest to do so. Your feelings about immigration are simply irrelevant on this matter.

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Thats the thing, they don't have merit. That's the lie the H1B grift lobby has pushed on Americans, that Indians are extremely talented and capable, far more capable than American workers, therefore we must bring them here. To go along side the 2nd lie - that there is a shortage of STEM talent in the US.

The truth is that there is no shortage of US STEM talent.

When I was hiring for a job back in the Spring I had 500+ applicants and all but 20 of them were Indian. Their resumes all followed the same script. Undergrad degree at some Indian university. Moved to the US and got their masters somewhere. Then 3 years of experience at some job stateside (even though they just graduated from their masters program in the last year). It was like a template.

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In the thread a few weeks ago on this that you were a big part of, somebody said only like 3K Indians per year could come here on HB1. Is that accurate or not? If so, seems like it doesn't matter.

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I don't think you guys really get it. There are 2 things that are as close to zero sum games in the world right now

AI
Quantum computing

If you want to obsess over whatever dumb political leanings you have about immigrants then be my guest. But that's absolutely a losing proposition for America. If we can take the best from countries like India to help fill important roles in these sectors it is very much in our best interest to do so. Your feelings about immigration are simply irrelevant on this matter.

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Immigration determines our future as a nation. Those policies are not "dumb political leanings", they are existential.

We're not getting "the best" from other countries. We are getting people that meet minimums and will work for far less money. This is the great fallacy with the H1B program - people think we are pulling in the 150 IQ people from around the world and that's not happening. There are hundreds of thousands of H1B positions in the nation. Almost all of them are simply people that meet minimums and work for wages that dramatically undercut what the US market sets for American workers. This has been documented repeatedly.

H1B is about cheap labor, not better labor or in-demand labor. It is coupled to immigration positions that run counter to the interests of our nation. They can't be uncoupled in discussions. You want the best and brightest from other nations? Fine, but put some teeth into the H1B program that insures that happens. H1B should be cut by 90% - then you'll see the program do what you and others claim it's doing.

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promise you Trump knows way better than you do

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Trump has a proven track record of awful hires.

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We're not getting "the best" from other countries. We are getting people that meet minimums and will work for far less money.

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In the case of India we're getting the cream of the crop for STEM field jobs

You think Indians are the highest earning Americans because we're getting their high school drop outs

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Immigration determines our future as a nation. Those policies are not "dumb political leanings", they are existential.

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Yes, just in the complete opposite way that you think it is.

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Yeah because we still have a labor shortage in that market.

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The people we're importing are of very poor quality, but that aside, eliminate the visa programs and over time, Americans will fill the gap. And these will be much higher quality employees, and instead of sending our wealth out of the country, we'll keep it here. We'll get richer, not poorer.