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re: Trump may designate Anti- ICE protesters as domestic terrorists…
Posted on 7/21/25 at 7:30 am to oklahogjr
Posted on 7/21/25 at 7:30 am to oklahogjr
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I would call it terrorism if they were attacking uninvolved people.
Terrorism is violence to further a political goal. This is absolutely to further a political goal. Designating them terrorists makes it easier to go after the organizers and bankrolled who watch the violence from a distance.
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It doesn't mean some of the activity isn't illegal but it's not terrorism to protest the police state.
Protesting is fine. Guns and rocks aren't protesting.
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That's a pretty shitty precedent to set unless people are paying explicitly for violence against enforcement. And I'm highly doubtful about that.
Who supplies the "protestors" with riot geat? Why would peaceful protestors need riot gear? Your argument is disingenuous.
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Posted on 7/21/25 at 7:31 am to oklahogjr
WHY should that liar Pretty Boy Chris Wray and that wimp AG Merrick Garland be sending out memos about those terrorist parents at school board meetings? WHERE were you then?
How about when Garlands DOJ and Wray's FBI talked about Catholics? Did you decry that?
How about when they lied about those dastardly White Supremacists they claimed were the biggest danger to the nation? Did they include the forementioned groups under this label?
Stop your whining. It ain't no fun when the rabbits got the gun is it son?
How about when Garlands DOJ and Wray's FBI talked about Catholics? Did you decry that?
How about when they lied about those dastardly White Supremacists they claimed were the biggest danger to the nation? Did they include the forementioned groups under this label?
Stop your whining. It ain't no fun when the rabbits got the gun is it son?
This post was edited on 7/21/25 at 7:32 am
Posted on 7/21/25 at 7:32 am to oklahogjr
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Why do they need to be designated terrorists? Isn't it simply enough to arrest any who are breaking law under existing laws for assault on federal agents?
No. Go after the head of the snake. Those funding terrorists are themselves terrorists. They need to be GITMO’d. They’ll always be cannon fodder mentally ill leftists. I want the shitbags funding them.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 7:36 am to shinerfan
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the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
It's the against civilians piece of this I'm questioning on your definition
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Protesting is fine. Guns and rocks aren't protesting.
Agree
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supplies the "protestors" with riot geat? Why would peaceful protestors need riot gear? Your argument is disingenuous.
I don't know. I've seen some protesters for different things in body armor and carrying around assault rifles to protect their second amendments.. I had no problem with that outfit. As long as they don't start shooting or fighting it's fine
Posted on 7/21/25 at 7:40 am to oklahogjr
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Id someone is funding and organizing protests that should be legal
Absolutely not
a "protest" needs to be organic - and have a valid point of view they are willing to debate that is being obstructed.
They can shout their message, but they cannot break any laws in the process - they can say anything they want but nobody should be intimidated or even inconvenienced by them.
What these 'protests' are doing is actually holding innocent people captive and interfering with their happiness with NO attempt to present an AGRUMENT or articulate a SOLUTION - they are ONLY interfering with OTHER's rights to pursue THEIR version of happiness and productivity.
They are ACTING like TERRORISTs. Their ONLY objective is to TERRORIZE others into 'obeying' their demands - with NO attempt to justify it other than by displaying placards produced by unidentified agents.
They are ACTING like a terrorist organization under any definition of the term.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 7:41 am to oklahogjr
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I don't know. I've seen some protesters for different things in body armor and carrying around assault rifles to protect their second amendments.. I had no problem with that outfit. As long as they don't start shooting or fighting it's fine[/quote]
That's a pretty big disclaimer. You wouldn't have a problem with a third party supplying those 2ndA protestors with weapons specifically for the protest? Of course you would.
I don't know. I've seen some protesters for different things in body armor and carrying around assault rifles to protect their second amendments.. I had no problem with that outfit. As long as they don't start shooting or fighting it's fine[/quote]
That's a pretty big disclaimer. You wouldn't have a problem with a third party supplying those 2ndA protestors with weapons specifically for the protest? Of course you would.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 7:42 am to oklahogjr
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I've seen some protesters for different things in body armor and carrying around assault rifles to protect their second amendments.
who - when - where - why ??
Posted on 7/21/25 at 7:57 am to shinerfan
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You wouldn't have a problem with a third party supplying those 2ndA protestors with weapons specifically for the protest?
If they're not using em and they're just there to protest and show they can walk around in public with their guns then I have no issues.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 7:59 am to ChineseBandit58
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who - when - where - why ??
The oath keepers are one example.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 9:01 am to oklahogjr
Once again…. You was awfully quiet while the Biden administration was trying to label parents protesting at school boards as domestic terrorist.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 9:36 am to Placekicker
Somebody hinders an arrest or hides a criminal, we already have laws. Do we need more laws? We just need to show up with a powerful presence each time and literally push back very hard when they try to interfere with the process. Then the handcuffs should be slapped on.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 9:49 am to oklahogjr
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Protestors clashing with police isn't terrorism.
If by clashing you mean attacking, then it’s domestic terrorism
Posted on 7/21/25 at 9:54 am to Placekicker
Should have already happened. With clear evidence of violence, why is this something to think about?
Posted on 7/21/25 at 9:55 am to oklahogjr
Because clearly just arresting them isn't enough of a deterrent, now is it?
Posted on 7/21/25 at 10:27 am to Placekicker
He should. The ones that are showing up, getting in the face of ICE officers and harassing them... not to mention shooting at them, slashing their vehicle tires, fighting with them etc.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 10:28 am to Nerd
F UCK YOU, bitch. MAGA! Illegals can GTFO... and so can you, pussy.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 10:31 am to Placekicker
I am all for arresting them and putting them away.
But they are not terrorists. I know we do not like them and want to punish them as much as possible, but words have meaning.
Imagine protesting an abortion clinic when the dems get back in power. Let's just call those people terrorists. We can label anyone we do not like as a terrorist. Terrorist comes to mean anyone we disagree with.
Bad move in my opinion.
But they are not terrorists. I know we do not like them and want to punish them as much as possible, but words have meaning.
Imagine protesting an abortion clinic when the dems get back in power. Let's just call those people terrorists. We can label anyone we do not like as a terrorist. Terrorist comes to mean anyone we disagree with.
Bad move in my opinion.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 10:33 am to oklahogjr
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but it's not terrorism to protest the police state.
Protesting and demonstrating your opinion on ICE deportations is one thing... Showing up, physically obstructing ICE officers from doing their jobs, harassing them, violently attacking them, shooting at them, throwing rocks through their vehicle windows, and rioting for days on end, shooting explosive fireworks at ICE, border patrol, national guard and police is most certainly terrorism. So... F UCK YOU.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 10:42 am to oklahogjr
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I would call it terrorism if they were attacking uninvolved people. Protestors clashing with police isn't terrorism. It doesn't mean some of the activity isn't illegal but it's not terrorism to protest the police state. That's a pretty shitty precedent to set unless people are paying explicitly for violence against enforcement. And I'm highly doubtful about that.
Curious as to your reference defining terrorism, domestic or otherwise. Or, is this just based on how you feel?
AI definition of Terrorism according to US Law
-In US law, terrorism is generally defined as the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives. This can include acts intended to influence government policy through intimidation or coercion, or to affect government conduct by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping. US law distinguishes between international and domestic terrorism, with the latter occurring primarily within US territorial jurisdiction
Posted on 7/21/25 at 11:01 am to cyarrr
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Curious as to your reference defining terrorism, domestic or otherwise. Or, is this just based on how you feel?
I quoted it elsewhere in the thread.
quote:the issue I take with this definition used here is this isn't attacks against the civilian population. There's some flexibility there but it seems extreme to label American citizens terrorists and wish for them to be shipped to Guantanamo as folks in this thread are purporting. I do support charging anyone attacking ice agents and doing more than protesting I just think we already have laws for that without the need for the terrorist label.
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
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