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re: Trump is considering to to remove Biden’s limitations on Ukraine air strikes in Russia

Posted on 5/27/25 at 9:51 pm to
Posted by Figgy
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Posted on 5/27/25 at 9:51 pm to




It was always a pipe dream at best.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90772 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 9:52 pm to
Nafo cancer you need it.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23398 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:01 pm to
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Putin called Trump an emotional woman. That will derail it also…

Yeah that’s just playing in Miss Lyndsay’s hands.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:09 pm to
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Democrats are not acting in the best interests of the USA. The fact that the establishment Republicans have proven they aren't either is what disappoints me.

When did the Republicans prove that they weren't acting in the best interest of Americans? Would that be when Nixon expanded the Vietnam War? Maybe it was when the Reagan administration was negotiating with terrorists and selling missile to Iran? Perhaps it was when they lied to us to get us into two wars and then passed the Patriot [sic] Act? Could it have been the way the Republican administration handled COVID in 2020?

How could anyone look at EITHER party over the past 50 years and think either one was EVER working in our best interests?
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:20 pm to
Does it cause more bleeding out of these shite countries?
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5331 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:51 pm to
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How could anyone look at EITHER party over the past 50 years and think either one was EVER working in our best interests?


There are at least a few republicans who support cutting unaffordable federal bureaucracy, fighting waste and corruption, reversing Biden's (or whoever ran his administration) destructive open border policy, and oppose involvement in an insane war with Russia. Maybe a few Democrats too, but I missed their voices in recent years.

But, undeniably, many or most of the Republicans in Congress are just as corrupted, and dumb, as their counterparts. At this point, I'll be happy if Trump just manages to burn the GOP establishment to the ground, so citizens who'd like to vote for responsible governance might have better choices next time.
This post was edited on 5/27/25 at 11:21 pm
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
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Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:19 pm to
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I'll be happy if Trump at least burns the GOP establishment to the ground so citizens who'd like to vote for responsible governance might have different choices next time.

The problem is the corporatized structure of the party system. Basically the majority shareholders of two large corporations decide who the people will choose between. It's not working in our best interests.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26540 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:29 pm to
Earlier on, Trump said if Putin didn't negotiate in good faith that he'd give Ukraine all of the arms they ever dreamed of.

Putin can't piss down Trump's collar and tell him it is raining.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19829 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:37 pm to
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The restrictions are because everyone knows the country Who missiles are launched is the country who actually planned the attack. Because Ukraine without the intelligence of those nations have no use for them.


You can excuse NATO striking Russia in Ukraine but not NATO striking Russia in Russia.
Well, that would be one of the confusing things....

we're openly providing lethal aid. And Ukraine is strking with those arms into Russian claimed, occupied, across recognized border (Russia proper) against the Russian army and infrastructure.

But not to deep. It's like telling a QB he can throw deep, but not enough for a touchdown.

Why is ok to strike Russian territory say 60 km deep but not 90 or more?

It makes no sense.

Secondly, if we're going to restrict the use of lethal aid then just don't give it. It's lethal aid. But we don't want it to be too lethal?
Posted by RaoulDuke504
Member since Aug 2023
3410 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:40 pm to
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Does it cause more bleeding out of these shite countries?


According to Rubio we are the ones bleeding out and no longer have stockpiles to give
Posted by WildernessTraveler7
Member since May 2025
65 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:45 pm to
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He's been rage tweeting and melting to the press for a few days over Russia. Something is up.


What’s up is he is a narcissistic, draft dodging, fat arse blowhard who is almost 80 and has no clue how to just shut up, stop supplying Ukraine with $ and arms and just hyper focus on domestic issues.
Posted by texas tortilla
houston
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 5/28/25 at 12:03 am to
Pretty much sums it up.
Posted by WWII Collector
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 5/28/25 at 12:08 am to
It's just a minor incursion...

Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11394 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 12:16 am to
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It's amazing how MAGA goes from anti-interventionist to "peace through strength" at the drop of a hat.


It's even more amazing how adult males melt down over a tweet with absolutely zero sources just because they don't like Trump. You want to hear bad news about Trump, so you will believe and react to every story put out there. You're no different than all the democrats in that regard.

You people literally believe every negative unsourced tweet just so you can complain about Trump. Trump has repeatedly voiced peace through strength going back to his first term, so your comment also makes no sense.

Perhaps you just don't remember a few short months ago on the campaign trail when Trump said he would give Ukraine support if Russia didn't come to the table. Like your whining, Trump's position has been consistent.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19829 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 12:20 am to
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What’s up is he is a narcissistic, draft dodging, fat arse blowhard who is almost 80 and has no clue how to just shut up, stop supplying Ukraine with $ and arms and just hyper focus on domestic issues.
can you back that up with facts with the definition of a dodger someone who's lottery number (or cutoff) came up AND had a deferment?

What was the cutoff number for the N69 draft (covering birth years 1944-1950)?

What was Trump's SS number for 6/14 and was it below the cutoff number above?
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 12:23 am to
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What’s up is he is a narcissistic, draft dodging, fat arse blowhard who is almost 80 and has no clue how to just shut up, stop supplying Ukraine with $ and arms and just hyper focus on domestic issues.


Number of Posts: 46
Registered on: 5/4/2025

Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55605 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 5:36 am to
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It hilarious how people like you will speak with such confidence


Ukraine striking in Russia doesn’t change the front line

No shite. The reason to try to strike distant Russian cities is to create war weariness and dissent, not to change the front lines directly. Russia has been doing the same thing. So, yes, I’m confidant that what is already happening would happen more if the weapons were provided.
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No one has long range missiles to give Ukraine to even make a difference that will cause Russia war efforts to collapse

Well, who knows? You sure seem, er…confidant.

Let me ask you, confidant sir, if long range bombing of cities doesn’t do anything why is Russia doing it? Putin just not as smart as you? Maybe not as confidant?
This post was edited on 5/28/25 at 5:40 am
Posted by WildernessTraveler7
Member since May 2025
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Posted on 5/28/25 at 7:27 am to
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Number of Posts: 46 Registered on: 5/4/2025


Imagine being a grown man concerned about another man’s post activity…you always stand out as a bootlicker so thanks for further exposing your cultish tendencies.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19829 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 8:20 am to
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The reason to try to strike distant Russian cities is to create war weariness and dissent, not to change the front lines directly. Russia has been doing the same thing. So, yes, I’m confidant that what is already happening would happen more if the weapons were provided.
exactly. It isn't going to change the front lines... at this point.

However, preventing those deeper strikes have prevented the Ukranians from hitting supply nodes and aerodromes that the Russians have put just out of the 'artificial' range. Which is pretty damn close.

It is a WWI style war of attrition, supply and training (thus troop rotation) is everything. The Russians have been able to do both unmolested for years.

It's too little too late now I think. So it is for the "PR" reason you stated at this point. Which, historically, very rarely works. Bombing Hanoi, the blitz, the bombing of Germany... did increase their war weariness, but increased their resolve at least proportionally. Especially in totalarian regimes, which is what Russia (and now Ukraine under war time rules) is.
Posted by I20goon
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 5/28/25 at 8:24 am to
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Number of Posts: 46 Registered on: 5/4/2025
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Imagine being a grown man concerned about another man’s post activity…you always stand out as a bootlicker so thanks for further exposing your cultish tendencies.
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