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re: Trump EPA to cut Energy Star program.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:41 am to TJGator1215
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:41 am to TJGator1215
i can't wait for muh coal washer/dryer!
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:59 am to Machine
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coal washer
Then you'll be helping the nation with clean coal.
So MAGA!
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:02 am to Vacherie Saint
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Did auto manufacturers not offer fuel efficient vehicle options before CAFE laws were passed?
CAFE laws have given us better cars. Besides even if all the federal ones go away California will still dictate fuel efficiency standards.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:03 am to Vacherie Saint
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Yes. Did fluorescent lighting not exist before 2012?
i never saw a CFL bulb until a rule was passed to phase out incandescent bulbs. that's the result of government intervention.
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Did auto manufacturers not offer fuel efficient vehicle options before CAFE laws were passed?
again, fewer in the market until a mandate.
you are disproving your own point.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:05 am to WaveHog
on top of that, energy star isn't even a mandate. it's a seal that says a product met certain qualifications. it provides consumers with more knowledge.
if manufacturers to create their own 'energy efficiency' benchmarks, which will surely differ by maker, with no way to ensure actual efficiency, all it does is cause confusion.
all this move does is take away a label that gives consumers more info.
if manufacturers to create their own 'energy efficiency' benchmarks, which will surely differ by maker, with no way to ensure actual efficiency, all it does is cause confusion.
all this move does is take away a label that gives consumers more info.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:06 am to TJGator1215
quote:Boom!
At an annual cost of $60 million to taxpayers
One Syrian missile strike paid for!
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:07 am to roadGator
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clean coal
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:08 am to TJGator1215
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NOTHING CAN GO WRONG HERE!!!
You can't at least offer up one hypothetical unintended consequence?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:08 am to Machine
FGD is extremely clean, genius.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:08 am to TJGator1215
If the federal gov owns energy star charge for the logo when they meet the standard
profit....
no?
profit....
no?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:20 am to TJGator1215
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The cost of metal is more expensive than plastic. That's why. That and companies design their products to fell so you have to buy another.
It's because of heat exchange you idiot.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:20 am to WaveHog
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i never saw a CFL bulb until a rule was passed to phase out incandescent bulbs. that's the result of government intervention.
They've been around since the 70s.
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again, fewer in the market until a mandate.
you are disproving your own point.
Maybe, but all the mandate does is attempt to speed the inevitable at enormous cost to tax payers and consumers. They add nearly 4K to the price of the average vehicle and that is almost never recovered in fuel savings and that doesn't include the taxpayer cost of regulation. Plus the tech is hasty, expensive, and often wrong. The engine servicing and reliability issues we've seen with ethanol being introduced into gasoline, especially with small engines, have cost consumers untold billions.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:21 am to TJGator1215
I'll get worked up over this when you show me where this program is set forth in the Constitution.
Sounds like Trump is intending for these agencies to get back to their core functions and dial back the extraneous, intrusive bullshite.
EPA = clean air and clean water
Sounds like Trump is intending for these agencies to get back to their core functions and dial back the extraneous, intrusive bullshite.
EPA = clean air and clean water
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:27 am to Vacherie Saint
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This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:39 am to TJGator1215
Posted on 4/12/17 at 11:04 am to Dale51
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 11:05 am
Posted on 4/12/17 at 11:09 am to puse01
EPA T4 on diesel is killing the marine industry. It's bad enough on an on road or stationary application. Handling corrosive exhaust fluid on a boat is a major cost adder
Posted on 4/12/17 at 11:10 am to redfishfan
That and when are they gonna make a gas can again that you can use that actually pours gas. 
Posted on 4/12/17 at 11:20 am to Homesick Tiger
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I didn't read all that drivel
Me neither.
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the government doesn't any longer need to make demands on appliances
The government wasn't making any "demands", it was only setting a standard.
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Let the manufacturers compete against each other by offering their energy efficient products at the best cost to the consumer.
They weren't concerning themselves with energy efficiency before this program. I think it's a great program, I have paid close attention to it and try to use energy efficient products as much as possible - but here's the rub:
I do it to save money on my electric bill, not to reduce emissions. This program seems like it would be better suited as an overall national energy policy that could be through the Department of Energy. As it stands now, however, is that the DOE pretty much only concerns themselves with nucular energy.
We've been needing a comprehensive energy policy/strategy since the first oil embargo of 1973.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 11:21 am to bhtigerfan
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That and when are they gonna make a gas can again that you can use that actually pours gas.
This. People are stupid so lets make this gas can suck. Quit protecting people from their stupid arse decisions.
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