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re: Trump election autopsies. You believe this?

Posted on 2/4/21 at 5:38 pm to
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 5:38 pm to
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Have you ever noticed that it is uniformly YOUR side of these discussions which resorts to this sort of language?
have you noticed that NOT ONE dem will actually address the facts of election irregularities that have been posted here for weeks despite being constantly challenged on them? all we get is:

"internet conspiracies"
"muh courts"
"you lost, get over it"
Posted by Tigergrad84
Member since Dec 2020
221 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 5:39 pm to
She is a solid 5. Bout it.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39643 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 6:40 pm to
I believe the Dem Party would do damn near anything to gain power for the cause of "fundamental change". They no longer believe in and have forsaken the Principles upon which our Constitutional Republic was founded.

Obama as de facto Leader, "wiretapped" Trump, and attempted a 'soft coup' after Trump was elected via their "insurance policy" strategy, being "led from the Top".

The idea that they would not cheat in an election is ludicrous on it's face. But worse, pernicious in that many now wantonly and knowingly embrace a lie. Once one does that - for whatever reason - the sky or the depths of hell is the limit.

People learn from their most painful experience. We are headed for some serious learning; and a lot who foolishly think they can dodge the pain by being on a particular side, will rue the day they bought and sold the lie, as a means to an end.

"Trump destroyed himself", is a joke. A few years from now, this will apply to the American People.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55729 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 6:51 pm to
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You mean other that the 3 previous times since 1980 where the bellweather counties were also wrong in predicting the presidential winner.



That’s not what was being reported by the media after the election....even the Gaslight Media was reporting that Trump winning 18 of 19 of those bellwether counties was historically indicative of winning the GE
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138847 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:16 am to
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These were "Inexplicable election night occurrences" only for the uninitiated
Well Tex, I'm neither "uninitiated" nor trying to "explain away a lost election." I'm just observing the oddities. But as you seem to presume some sort of expertise while raising the specter of others being "uninitiated", perhaps you can clear a few details up.

Vote counting stopped for ~2hours (nearly simultaneously) in Detroit, Milwaukee, Phily, and Atlanta on election night?
in your vast election "initiation", is that a normal occurrence?

In contrast with election law, count watchers were actively prevented from reasonable oversight on election night, and/or expelled from counting centers altogether.
in your vast election "initiation", is that a normal occurrence?

In the election aftermath, multiple workers attested (under oath) to stacks of pristine uncreased VBM ballots being counted.
in your vast "initiation", are never-folded VBM ballots a normal occurrence?

Biden received 99,988 Biden-only ballots cast in a state with two (2) US Senate contests sharing the ticket.
in your vast "initiation", is that a normal occurrence? Did such a discrepancy occur anywhere else? Was there any example close anywhere else? In fact, has there been anything close to that in US election history? If so, and since you consider those questioning such bullshite to be "uninitiated", please do cite some examples. Make your case.

Prior to the election, Dominion ran a voting systems test center in Fulton County. There was minimal if any oversight. Thousands of machine test votes were cast. The machine printed cards were indistinguishable from election day cards. Those test ballots were supposed to be spoiled/destroyed immediately following each test run. Instead they were stored unspoiled and intact, in essence creating piles of counterfeit vote cards.
iin your vast election "initiation" and experience, is that a normal occurrence?

At least four (4) critical swing states altered their election systems Unconstitutionally.
in your vast election "initiation" and experience, is that a normal occurrence?

In Michigan, Dominion machines include a fractional voting module though the state has never used fractional voting. IIRC, in the only instance where audit access to voting machines was actually allowed, it appears fractional voting was enabled.
in your vast election "initiation" and experience I suspect you haven't a clue as to what fractional voting is, but if you do, is enabling fractional voting on machines in a nonfractional vote state a normal occurrence?

Dominion Voting Systems were connected to the internet.
in your vast election "initiation" and experience, is connection of a voting system to the internet a normal occurrence?

In Georgia, one of the states where stacks of pristine uncreased VBM ballots were reported, the SOS did not conduct a signature-envelope count to correlate with the number of VBM ballots actually counted.
in your vast election "initiation" and experience, is that a normal occurrence in a VBM audit?

Rock-the-vote and other left-wing organizations were allowed direct access to voter registration lists prior to the election.
in your vast election "initiation" and experience, is that a normal occurrence?

More votes were supposedly cast in 2020 than there were registered voters in 2018.
in your vast election "initiation" and experience, is that a normal occurrence?

A senile, mumbling, basement-dwelling geezer supposedly received 81 million votes.
in your vast election "initiation" and experience, is that a normal occurrence?

This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 5:37 am
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37516 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 6:18 am to
Biden did not have to win more counties. He only needed to increase his gains in urban areas and lose by less in others which he did in places like GA,NC, AZ and even Ohio.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55458 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 6:44 am to
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Trump won 2496 counties to Biden’s 477

How did he do with electoral votes? Biden won about 8 million more votes than Trump. If we're going to break the rules, and use another metric besides electoral votes, I suggest voters rather than counties.

I voted for Trump and donated over $10,000 to his campaign - over $40,000 to Republicans last year - but Trump lost the election. If there was material levels of fraud it wasn't software or dead people; it was harvesting voters. That's illegal, but they ARE real voters.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138847 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 6:51 am to
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If there was material levels of fraud it wasn't software or dead people
At best yours is a random guess forwarded as some sort of fact. It also flies in the face of the facts we do know, but aligns nicely with crap the press is dumping.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55458 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 6:52 am to
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Election bellwether counties in the United States are counties that vote in alignment with the country as a whole in United States presidential elections, so that the county votes for the candidate who ultimately wins the election.

I get what you're saying here, but that just means something odd happened. Trump was a black swan event. It's not surprising that we got an odd result. Trump realigned voting blocks. Under that circumstance one would EXPECT the bellwether states to change.

Your point is a little like the folks arguing that Shakespeare didn't write all those plays because it's improbable that a man of his station could have known so much. This is a good argument if Shakespeare was a run of the mill genius, but the works of Shakespeare were clearly produced by a mind that has not been equaled in centuries. Three highly improbable things that happened are:

Shakespeare wrote the works of Shakespeare.
Einstein thought up Relativity.
Trump lost the election.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138847 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 7:06 am to
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Your point is a little like the folks arguing that Shakespeare didn't write all those plays
Negative.
His point is a little like an investigator raising the question, and then being malignantly denied access by Shakespeare proponents to any materials which could establish authorship one way or another.

Of course that analogy does not include facts of which we are aware, and laws which we know were illegally abrogated.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39643 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 7:55 am to
I guess that the legitimacy of this election will never be honestly settled, for the same reason that Hillary's Emails, Weiner and Hunter's Laptop, and Ghislaine's Sworn Testimony will NEVER be aired in full public view. The Envelopes either, which had witness verification. Much less the Unconstitutional acts of State/Fed Courts which changed voting laws by fiat.

However, those are all irrelevant to what determines the future of this Nation. The Left believes in Democracy (pure version) and Right believes that Rights come from God, and not Democratic Majority Rule ("mob rule"). Therein, it will be the REACTION to radical, Leftist Policy imposition re "fundamental change" that makes the call.

The Left will NOT stop pushing their Totalitarian Ideology; any and all who publicly oppose this will be slammed/canceled. The question for the Right, is whether the allow the Left to pick them off one by one, or mount a unified front (via some form of independent Media mechanism) and undermine Leftist, Democratic hegemony. I.e., 'muh Dictator'.

Heluva drama till it gets too painful to appreciate. The pressure is building by the day. IMO, it'll be some relatively mundane overreach outrage that kicks off a snoball effect; think 'Arab Spring' and the Syrian revolt. Likely having to do with 2nd Amendment Rights.

The Right has one play left, via co-opting mass support; as Pseudo-Socialism is a fait accompli. And that play is the 'Jesus' card, as waves of coming immigrants worship Jesus (via Mary/Catholic). Of course, the Youth are mostly Secular Humanist; though, when people began to face imminent death...they go to the only hope available. Such being Faith.

Humanity moving up the hard way.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 7:58 am to
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Shakespeare wrote the works of Shakespeare. Einstein thought up Relativity. Trump lost the election.

I hope you don’t make analogies for a living.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 11:46 pm to
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Vote counting stopped for ~2hours (nearly simultaneously) in Detroit, Milwaukee, Phily, and Atlanta on election night?
That only happened in Atlanta in the well-documented video.

The rest of them is a Gateway-Pundit quality false claim. Do you have a non-crap source for that?

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In contrast with election law, count watchers were actively prevented from reasonable oversight on election night, and/or expelled from counting centers altogether.
Another bullshite claim. When the judge in Pennsylvania asked did they have ballot watchers, the Trump side lawyer said something like "We had a non-zero number of watchers in the room".

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Biden received 99,988 Biden-only ballots cast in a state with two (2) US Senate contests sharing the ticket.
More bullshite. nationalreview.com/corner/no-there-were-not-95000-biden-only-ballots-in-georgia

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Prior to the election, Dominion ran a voting systems test center in Fulton County. There was minimal if any oversight. Thousands of machine test votes were cast. The machine printed cards were indistinguishable from election day cards. Those test ballots were supposed to be spoiled/destroyed immediately following each test run. Instead they were stored unspoiled and intact, in essence creating piles of counterfeit vote cards.
This is not true. Post a link so I can dispute this specific claim.

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At least four (4) critical swing states altered their election systems Unconstitutionally.
That is too general to respond to without a link. But the courts specifically addressed and acknowledged the authority of the SOS in GA and PA to issue voting regulations as authorized by the legislature. The GA court specifically addressed the SOS authority to settle a lawsuit and thereby alter the procedure to disqualify ballots based on signatures.

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In Michigan, Dominion machines include a fractional voting module though the state has never used fractional voting. IIRC, in the only instance where audit access to voting machines was actually allowed, it appears fractional voting was enabled.
More bullshite. The affidavit that Michigan filed in the TX vs PA U.S. Supreme Court case specifically refuted that.

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Dominion Voting Systems were connected to the internet.
More bullshite. See the same Michigan affidavit.

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In Georgia, one of the states where stacks of pristine uncreased VBM ballots were reported, the SOS did not conduct a signature-envelope count to correlate with the number of VBM ballots actually counted.
I need a link for that as well so I can address the specific instance to are referring to.

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Rock-the-vote and other left-wing organizations were allowed direct access to voter registration lists prior to the election.
That's more hyperbole. All voter registration groups were given access, not just one side.

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More votes were supposedly cast in 2020 than there were registered voters in 2018.
"Supposedly". That is comical. And not true. And even if it was true, what does it show?

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A senile, mumbling, basement-dwelling geezer supposedly received 81 million votes.
Referring to someone who would post that idiotic mumbo jumbo as "uninitiated", is a kindness.


Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
11388 posts
Posted on 2/6/21 at 10:11 pm to
How would they know anything about Trump if they aren’t political? Like I said, CNN created a narrative that people like yourself and your friends, followed because you aren’t smart enough to have your own opinion. Many people that voted against Trump took the media’s word for it and are now regretting voting for *Biden.
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