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re: Trump Amnesty?

Posted on 6/12/25 at 7:25 pm to
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22655 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 7:25 pm to
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nope, registered independent for 25 years..

Who did you vote for in the last few presidential elections?

I'm a registered Independent, too - and have never voted for a Democrat.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
23869 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 7:26 pm to
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Who did you vote for in the last few presidential elections?


Is this a litmus test?
And I've voted republican since Ford.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22655 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 7:29 pm to
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Is this a litmus test?
And I've voted republican since Ford.

I'm asking the Independent that advocates for amnesty who he voted for.
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
27889 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 7:33 pm to
2000- Gore
2004- Kerry
2008- Obama
2012- Romney
2016- didn't vote, both sucked
2020- Biden
2024- Harris

admittedly, I hated pulling the lever for Biden and Harris, but i wouldn't piss on Trump if he was on fire (the disdain of Trump far predates him entering politics... i've hated that man since i saw him way back on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous or some shite, and i thought he was a self-absorbed asshat)
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55627 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 7:35 pm to
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He had a post about not throwing out the good illegals or something. The business lobby got to him.

Then, he said we can't get enough Chinese students. This board wanted them all deported a week ago.

Good to see some hardcore MAGA guys like TigersHuskers call this out.


To be fair, if an illegal has been in the US for 10-20-30 years with a clean record and has been contributing to society, I would give them some consideration on their re-entry into the US if they self deported and reapplied for entry.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
23869 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 7:46 pm to
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To be fair, if an illegal has been in the US for 10-20-30 years with a clean record and has been contributing to society, I would give them some consideration on their re-entry into the US if they self deported and reapplied for entry.

Trump will officially streamline this process. Democrats have used them as pawns for years. They depended upon reflexive reactions from republicans to fuel this machine.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89520 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:13 pm to
Trump has floated letting foreign people we educate stay here rather than take their knowledge and skill somewhere else.


Believe it or not. The anti illegal immigration stance isn’t because Trump hates immigrants. It’s because the country was being flooded with poor people and criminals.


I would rather us not have a bunch of Chinese students here though. Don’t have a problem with foreign students that come here to study, not stir shite up.

Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22655 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:13 pm to
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2000- Gore
2004- Kerry
2008- Obama
2012- Romney
2016- didn't vote, both sucked
2020- Biden
2024- Harris

I appreciate the honesty. So, like me, you're an independent but decidedly oriented Left or Right, and in your case - Left.

And that probably explains your support for amnesty, as my hard Right leanings explain my position on the matter.

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(the disdain of Trump far predates him entering politics... i've hated that man since i saw him way back on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous or some shite, and i thought he was a self-absorbed asshat)

I don't get emotional about politics. For me, Trump was a better choice than Kamala, Biden and Hillary - by a wide margin.

I find it interesting that you couldn't bring yourself to vote for Hillary, but could for Biden and Harris.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 8:16 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89520 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:15 pm to
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and i thought he was a self-absorbed asshat)


So is Biden.

Congrats on being a retard.

Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
27889 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:37 am to
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I find it interesting that you couldn't bring yourself to vote for Hillary, but could for Biden and Harris.

those votes, again, were not an endorsement of those two candidates, it was I didn't want Trump to win, as he did the year that i didn't vote... after he won, i swore i'd never skip another election, even if i do think the candidates are complete trash, as has been the case in each election since

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decidedly oriented Left or Right

i'm not "decidedly" oriented either way... THAT is why i'm an independent... i will say that on financials, i tend to more often than not, lean conservative, and on social issues i tend to lean left, but there are many issues even socially that i feel the Democrats are just way too stupid and foregone about...
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22655 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 2:06 pm to
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i'm not "decidedly" oriented either way... THAT is why i'm an independent... i will say that on financials, i tend to more often than not, lean conservative, and on social issues i tend to lean left, but there are many issues even socially that i feel the Democrats are just way too stupid and foregone about...

I'm trying to square this up with your voting history but maybe you're not so liberal in state and local elections. BTW - I'm not sure "fiscally conservative" means anything these days given the options we have, which is sad for both of us.

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after he won, i swore i'd never skip another election, even if i do think the candidates are complete trash, as has been the case in each election since

Why do you hate Trump so much? Is it his personality or ... what?
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
27889 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 11:33 pm to
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Why do you hate Trump so much? Is it his personality or ... what?

it's him, as a person... he's the anti-thesis of everything i was taught to care about.... he's a malignant narcissist, who thinks he's better than everyone and everything else.... he's a total fricking fat fraud, a con man that has swindled more than his fair share of rubes...

he's the loud mouth spouting off at the party, about how everything he's associated with is better, prettier, more expensive, faster, etc, than "anything anyone has ever had or seen before".... he's just a fricking imbecile who was lucky enough to have rich as frick parents, who then gave him a frick ton of money to start his life with... but everything he touches turns to shite, and we are now seeing that with the country

i hate him on a fricking molecular, atomic level.... just every single atom of his being can frick right off, and the sooner he dies (of natural causes, not from anything else, for the FBI reading this shite...), the better off this world will be...
This post was edited on 6/13/25 at 11:35 pm
Posted by FlySaint
FL Panhandle
Member since May 2018
2536 posts
Posted on 6/14/25 at 12:42 am to
There’s so many “bad” Chinese students in with the good that we can’t risk having any.
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
29418 posts
Posted on 6/14/25 at 5:41 am to
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Is this something he is considering


There's no freaking way to remove 20 million people so some will have to stay.

Personally I don't have a problem with people who come here to better themselves, abide by the laws and work/pay taxes the right way.

A family member of ours has a farm in North La and has been using Mexican labor for 20+ years, they work hard, are very family oriented, and extremely religious.

Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22655 posts
Posted on 6/14/25 at 1:44 pm to
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it's him, as a person... he's the anti-thesis of everything i was taught to care about.... he's a malignant narcissist, who thinks he's better than everyone and everything else.... he's a total fricking fat fraud, a con man that has swindled more than his fair share of rubes...

he's the loud mouth spouting off at the party, about how everything he's associated with is better, prettier, more expensive, faster, etc, than "anything anyone has ever had or seen before".... he's just a fricking imbecile who was lucky enough to have rich as frick parents, who then gave him a frick ton of money to start his life with... but everything he touches turns to shite, and we are now seeing that with the country

i hate him on a fricking molecular, atomic level.... just every single atom of his being can frick right off, and the sooner he dies (of natural causes, not from anything else, for the FBI reading this shite...), the better off this world will be..

And how did you get here? What did he do that made him - not just a wildly egotistical narcissist, and I'd even argue not all that bright - but how do you get to the rest of what you posted? I don't get it.

Democrats have done real damage to this country and they've done it under the umbrella of "Trump is literal Hitler" - but nobody can explain what Trump has actually done that casts him in the light that you do.

My issues with Trump is he's not effective enough getting rational things done. You seem to not care about rationality, as long as Trump is the one getting shot at.
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
27889 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 10:40 am to
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And how did you get here? What did he do that made him - not just a wildly egotistical narcissist, and I'd even argue not all that bright - but how do you get to the rest of what you posted? I don't get it.

Democrats have done real damage to this country and they've done it under the umbrella of "Trump is literal Hitler" - but nobody can explain what Trump has actually done that casts him in the light that you do.

My issues with Trump is he's not effective enough getting rational things done. You seem to not care about rationality, as long as Trump is the one getting shot at.

you keep looking at my hate for Trump through a political lens... it is not... my intense hatred of Trump is him... as a person, as a human being, not pertaining to politics...

now, being he is a politician, by trade, now, yes, my dislike of him will lean to criticizing him for the job he's doing... if he was a fricking landscape designer I'd say his fricking pick for the hedges sucks and the layout of the design is atrocious..... if he was a dog catcher, i'd criticize whatever he does there.... my hatred for him has everything to do with HIM, not his politics.... it didn't start when he won in 2016, it started way, way back in the day and has carried (and spilled) over to now, but he just so happens to be president of the US now
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22655 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 1:43 pm to
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now, being he is a politician, by trade, now, yes, my dislike of him will lean to criticizing him for the job he's doing... if he was a fricking landscape designer I'd say his fricking pick for the hedges sucks and the layout of the design is atrocious..... if he was a dog catcher, i'd criticize whatever he does there.... my hatred for him has everything to do with HIM, not his politics.... it didn't start when he won in 2016, it started way, way back in the day and has carried (and spilled) over to now, but he just so happens to be president of the US now

So you're that guy - Trump could cure cancer and you'd hate him for it, not accept the breakthrough, and would rather be eaten away by the disease than take his magic pill because it had "Donald Trump Super Hero Best Ever Cancer Treatment" on the label.

How did you develop such raging hate for a person you have never met? (I assume you don't know him)

We're different. I don't care about the personality shite. Biden is a pervert, has raised a family of deviants, and is corrupt in ways the Trump family can only dream of - but if his politics had him shutting down the border, shrinking fedgov's footprint, scaling spending back to something reasonable, affirming 1st and 2nd amendments, etc., I'd have walked over broken glass to vote for the corrupt a-hole. I'd prefer my president be a good person, but would take an total arse that gets the right things done over the super duper nice guy that doesn't.
Posted by Semper Gumby
Member since Dec 2021
644 posts
Posted on 6/15/25 at 1:52 pm to
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grant amnesty to everyone here, once the background checks out, and then actually enforce the laws already on the books... it's way too complicated, time consuming, and expensive to try to round people up and deport them ...


I cannot disagree more with this point of view. These people have come into our country illegally. Policies should be put in place to make it a jailable offense to hire them, then make it so absolutely miserable for them to live here that they self-deport. The problem with soft-handed treatment is that people learn that doing the wrong thing is ok. It is not. We should not allow those back in that we deport, but should allow for legal reentry for those who self deport that WE want back in.
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