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re: Trade Data Shows Trump’s Tariffs Are Working

Posted on 6/10/26 at 7:24 am to
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 7:24 am to
Don't we have the second largest manufacturing base in the world? What manufacturing jobs do you want back here? You guys all sky scream about unions, but I don't think you want some $10 hour toy dog shite factories here.
This post was edited on 6/10/26 at 7:26 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 7:33 am to
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Wherever I B Freeman is
Hopefully, he readjusted his supply chain.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 7:40 am to
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Don't we have the second largest manufacturing base in the world? What manufacturing jobs do you want back here? You guys all sky scream about unions, but I don't think you want some $10 hour toy dog shite factories here.


They don't like to get into details about the policy
Posted by IMSA_Fan
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 7:41 am to
I mean inflation just hit 4.2% so there’s that
Posted by BTROleMisser
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 7:41 am to
NUH UH!!!!
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 7:42 am to
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They don't like to get into details about the policy
That is an unbelievably odd dismissal given the detailed threads on this board regarding the topic.
Posted by BTROleMisser
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 7:43 am to
Aubie here to TDS, like usual.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 7:44 am to
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But are we producing more?
We are importing less, and consuming more. It is an equation.
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 7:46 am to
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We are importing less,


If the consumer doesn't pay these magic taxes why are we importing less?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 7:46 am to
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That is an unbelievably odd dismissal given the detailed threads on this board regarding the topic.


We're importing less and consumers are spending more. Did I miss the discussion of the cost of goods consumers face in the market?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 7:47 am to
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We are importing less, and consuming more

Consuming more or spending more on consumption?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 7:58 am to
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Consuming more or spending more on consumption?
Real GDP measures that. In Q1 2026, the last measure I can find, Real GDP growth stood at 1.6%.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 8:03 am to
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Did I miss the discussion of the cost of goods consumers face in the market?
You mean in the roughly 50 threads discussing it? Yes, I guess you missed it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 8:04 am to
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You mean in the roughly 50 threads discussing it? Y

No within the article.

The basis of its argument is around consumer spending and it completely ignores how/why consumer spending would increase without supporting its point.
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 8:09 am to
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It was way past time to try something new. Free trade is doing nothing but bankrupting us

It wasn’t bankrupting us. That was being done by profligate spending. It was doing a lot of other bad things, though, like making us dependent on foreigners for strategically necessary products, and exposing our labor to unrelenting competition from foreigners emerging from destitution.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 8:13 am to
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The basis of its argument is around consumer spending and it completely ignores how/why consumer spending would increase without supporting its point.
It's been discussed repeatedly on this board. Including in the post directly above the one you were responding to.
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 8:14 am to
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At most it reduces sales for a small handful of Americans trying to export goods to markets that they probably don't really need in the first place, since the largest economy in the world is right here.

You were on your way to a thoughtful post, but this is tendentious bullshite. The rest of the world’s consumer spending is over twice the US’.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 8:22 am to
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It's been discussed repeatedly on this board.

I'm talking about the article/OP and why its argument isn't strong.

Why didn't they analyze the increase in consumer spending with the comparable inflation over the same time period?

I don't have time to run the numbers but that could flip this argument entirely, and that's just one variable to show why building this entire argument around "consumer spending" alone is bad.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 8:34 am to
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It wasn’t bankrupting us. That was being done by profligate spending. It was doing a lot of other bad things, though, like making us dependent on foreigners for strategically necessary products, and exposing our labor to unrelenting competition from foreigners emerging from destitution.
The irony in TDS (tariff arrangement syndrome) is that those who are struck with the syndrome ignore the fact that trade deficits, in and of themselves, are inflation contributors.

Milton Friedman discounted that fact by observing that growth concomitant with trade deficits outpaced the cost of financing them. His argument was cogent when our national debt was lower, but it is decreasingly applicable now.

His argument was that monetary outflow to international partners results in a need for those partners to put their money to work someplace. Often the result is the money being transferred to US debt instruments. The purchase of US debt instruments is (presumably) financed at a lower rate than the growth generated through the imported materials.

However, as our debt precipitously rises, so will the inevitable rates demanded of those same debt instruments. Concomitantly, as our debt rises, with trade deficits being a fractional contributor, the value of the US dollar in real terms declines. A devalued dollar is synonymous with inflation.
This post was edited on 6/10/26 at 8:38 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 8:35 am to
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Why didn't they analyze the increase in consumer spending with the comparable inflation over the same time period?
As I pointed out, real GDP is that measure. At last report, Q1 2026, real GDP was up 1.6%.
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