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Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:39 am to Godfather1
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All of this can go away for a measly $5.7 billion.
It can also go away by accepting other border security means other than a "wall".
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:39 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Many approvals are processed efficiently by the Govt. I do it all the time. Industries plan their actions based on this. This shut-down will delay those approvals, PERIOD. Therefore having me back in my office would be more efficient for my customers and allow them to proceed as planned with their business plans. Now, they will have to wait until I get back in my office. It's really pretty simple. I wouldn't have thought I would have to explain how expediting permit approvals is efficient for industry.
I'm glad your good at your job. Having to do something is never as efficient or profitable as not having to do something. You made the dumb statement so yes, you have to explain it. You do a necessary and valuable job and I , for one, thank you for it.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:43 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Expansions, modifications, repairs, mergers..... all need Govt. approval. Without those approvals, things will be LESS efficient, less profitable.
No imagine how much more efficient they would be without the government approval process.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:49 am to Centinel
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No imagine how much more efficient they would be without the government approval process.
It's sorta like listening to the insurance scam industry. They portray themselves as white knights because they provide help for mandatory services. No, what we want is for insurance to not be mandatory.
Now, I understand that Sid's position is necessary. We can't have a Land Rush on Federal drilling grounds where its every man for himself. That would be a disaster. But it doesn't improve efficiency or profitability
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:03 pm to cahoots
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"shutdowns don't affect anything"
Important. It doesn't affect anything important.
The things you listed about breweries getting permits...
Get the government out of it. Problem solved.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:05 pm to cahoots
quote:Imagine if we didn’t have an oppressive government that cold their regulatory power over our head for the sole purpose of protecting their own power? O&G would be chugging along, beer would be flowing the salmon of Capistrano and I wouldn’t have to listen to the whining of people who couldn’t get real jobs.
O&G companies aren't getting permits. Breweries aren't getting approvals. Lots of other regulatory holdups multiplied by an entire economy.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:05 pm to Vecchio Cane
Sigh.
Did you miss the part where we Lease the land for O&G exploration? Collect the royalties? inspect the meters? ensure decom?....
Funny and sad story: I once got a call from a federal inspector that he was fearful of boarding a platform. It was in STATE waters (not our jurisdiction) but had a Federal LACT meter on it (for measuring the O&G extraction for royalties). He sent pictures of SEVERELY corroded lower deck horizontals (which is where the LACT was located) connections showed 100% weld loss in some instances.
Of course we shut the LACT meter off (shut in the Federal production) and did not board.
Called the State, they had no response. "whatever satisfies you guys is ok with us".
Called the operator and told him a repair was needed. Received shop drawing stamped by a professional engineer utilizing "come-alongs and actual Duct tape" to support the lower deck from the middle deck. Obviously we directed him to the appropriate structural code (API code) and informed that when that code was satisfied, they could return to federal production.
Couple weeks later we received an appropriate repair plan from a qualified engineer. This is NOT the norm, but left to their own devices???
Industry regulating Industry does not work. Not in most cases.
Mining, O&G, early medicine, early food... It's all documented.
Did you miss the part where we Lease the land for O&G exploration? Collect the royalties? inspect the meters? ensure decom?....
Funny and sad story: I once got a call from a federal inspector that he was fearful of boarding a platform. It was in STATE waters (not our jurisdiction) but had a Federal LACT meter on it (for measuring the O&G extraction for royalties). He sent pictures of SEVERELY corroded lower deck horizontals (which is where the LACT was located) connections showed 100% weld loss in some instances.
Of course we shut the LACT meter off (shut in the Federal production) and did not board.
Called the State, they had no response. "whatever satisfies you guys is ok with us".
Called the operator and told him a repair was needed. Received shop drawing stamped by a professional engineer utilizing "come-alongs and actual Duct tape" to support the lower deck from the middle deck. Obviously we directed him to the appropriate structural code (API code) and informed that when that code was satisfied, they could return to federal production.
Couple weeks later we received an appropriate repair plan from a qualified engineer. This is NOT the norm, but left to their own devices???
Industry regulating Industry does not work. Not in most cases.
Mining, O&G, early medicine, early food... It's all documented.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:09 pm to Vecchio Cane
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But it doesn't improve efficiency or profitability
My statement was about the furlough.
I agree Govt is a bloated bureaucracy and could use some trimming. Hell, I think we have entire industries that have sprung up around semi-needless/over-reaching regulation (NEPA is the WORST).
Interestingly NEPA type regulations may be more strenuous in certain parts of Europe.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:09 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Industry regulating Industry does not work. Not in most cases. Mining, O&G, early medicine, early food... It's all documented.
I know your position is vital and I truly appreciate your office
We can't let everything be regulated by "the market"
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:12 pm to cahoots
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O&G companies aren't getting permits. Breweries aren't getting approvals. Lots of other regulatory holdups multiplied by an entire economy.
We need to cut regulations so this isn't an issue
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:13 pm to Vecchio Cane
Agreed.
BTW: Bush II actually tried to downsize/fix Govt. They had new personnel rules for ratings, bonuses, advancement....
US ARMY was first to implement (USACE for civilians). I thought it was great. It was rolled back under Obama.
BTW: Bush II actually tried to downsize/fix Govt. They had new personnel rules for ratings, bonuses, advancement....
US ARMY was first to implement (USACE for civilians). I thought it was great. It was rolled back under Obama.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:15 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
I love hearing government employees and government contractors tell me how important and necessary their job is.
We are way over regulated. Is actually slows business. This is why I don't listen to a bunch of government leeches because they all think their job is important and can't be cut. There is nothing more wasteful in the world than the American Government.
We are way over regulated. Is actually slows business. This is why I don't listen to a bunch of government leeches because they all think their job is important and can't be cut. There is nothing more wasteful in the world than the American Government.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:15 pm to cahoots
quote:Excellent indicator that government is too big to begin with.
O&G companies aren't getting permits. Breweries aren't getting approvals. Lots of other regulatory holdups multiplied by an entire economy.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:16 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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It can also go away by accepting other border security means other than a "wall".
You mean less permanent “means”?
Why should he agree to that?
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:41 pm to cahoots
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O&G companies aren't getting permits. Breweries aren't getting approvals. Lots of other regulatory holdups multiplied by an entire economy.
Why is that a state can regulate my marriage, my car safety, my health care, my home construction, etc. but cant do any of the above?
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:46 pm to cahoots
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O&G companies aren't getting permits.
This is false. More permits are actually getting approved versus this time last year because there are more permits being submitted. This is true for OCS. I cannot speak for anything on land.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:49 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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People on Government programs are takers not producers. I own businesses in the private sector. This shutdown will have ZERO impact on my production or bottom line. In fact I will take this a step further unless you are a business owner in the DC area (including VA and MD) as long as you are not a government leech or handcuffed to government programs your life will change very little to none. Why anyone would rely on government in all facets of their life is beyond me. It is inefficient and unproductive.
You are ignorant of the way MANY businesses operate. Energy, food, healthcare, financials...… all need govt. approval for certain operations.
Expansions, modifications, repairs, mergers..... all need Govt. approval. Without those approvals, things will be LESS efficient, less profitable. Keep up with your bullshite. You will learn one day.
So you agree with the individual you quoted...the government programs are takers not producers. Everything you mentioned (Energy, food, healthcare, financials, expansions, modifications, repairs, and mergers) are all done by private sector companies with government budgetary oversight...but in the end it's NOT the government who produces anything. Even where I work, NASA civil servants don't produce anything..it's the contractors...NASA just provides the concurrence and oversight.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:56 pm to NASA_ISS_Tiger
Again? Sigh...….
Government regulators are a necessary evil. The industries I listed require appropriate government oversight for the common good.
NASA? From what I understand it is mostly contracted out. That means they need Contracting officers, Contract specialists and SMEs to ensure the contractors do not defraud the Govt. (among other things).
These people are not "Takers" they provide a vital service.
Government regulators are a necessary evil. The industries I listed require appropriate government oversight for the common good.
NASA? From what I understand it is mostly contracted out. That means they need Contracting officers, Contract specialists and SMEs to ensure the contractors do not defraud the Govt. (among other things).
These people are not "Takers" they provide a vital service.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:02 pm to TrueTiger
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You're making an argument for getting rid of those regulations altogether.
So you think O&G should go unregulated?
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