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re: To those who oppose the Big Beautiful Bill
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:02 am to Taxing Authority
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:02 am to Taxing Authority
I bartended in college and an old troubled Vietnam vet would come by from time to time because I would talk to him if we weren’t busy and help lift him up.
He was always hammered though so from time to time if we were busy I’d ask him to leave and come back another day.
He was asked to leave because if I wasnt distracting him, he’d ask anyone close to him a one word question in the most drunken slur imaginable.
Service?
Somehow, I am reminded of him today b
He was always hammered though so from time to time if we were busy I’d ask him to leave and come back another day.
He was asked to leave because if I wasnt distracting him, he’d ask anyone close to him a one word question in the most drunken slur imaginable.
Service?
Somehow, I am reminded of him today b
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 9:06 am
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:02 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:There's really nothing left to cut. We neeeeed this big of a budget.
No waste or fraud either
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:02 am to Penrod
quote:
Right now? None. The same could be said in 1980, but Reagan’s trouncing of Carter changed the picture, and some Dems supported Reagan’s agenda out of self-preservation.
This is the mindset of someone who wants nothing to get passed. There won't be a single time in Trump's presidency where 10 Dems in the Senate (or maybe more if Murkowski, Turtle, Collins aren't on board) will vote for a bill.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:04 am to imjustafatkid
quote:
What bill do you propose they pass
Per Democrats - any Bill that Trump doesn't agree with if it helps the country or not.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:04 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I missed that.
A few weeks after saying he might cut it in half.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:04 am to Taxing Authority
I was excited for 45 and who knows but for covid.
I am less excited now and way more skeptical.
But, as they say….
At least it isn’t Kamala.
I’ll always appreciate him saving us from Killary and the Ho.
I am less excited now and way more skeptical.
But, as they say….
At least it isn’t Kamala.
I’ll always appreciate him saving us from Killary and the Ho.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:05 am to momentoftruth87
quote:
I don’t want a single bill to do everything I want. Omnibus bills are garbage receptacles for wasteful spending and pork.
All of the pork has been cut. You’re failing to understand you can’t cut what is left, unfortunately.
Again feel tree to identify what else can be cut legally
This is something that isn't understood by most folks. Trump admin has done a poor job of explaining this point.
Although, I dont like how they tell us its going to cut trillions from the deficit over the next 10 years, partly based on tariff revenue. Im all for Trumps tariff strategy, but its not smart to project the impact ten years doen the road.
Id rather see concrete cuts now that impact sooner than a decade.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:05 am to blueboy
quote:
If they can pass the cuts, why don't they just add them to this bill? Sounds like some bait and switch bullshite where the pigs get what they want then sort of forget the presumed follow up.
Because this is a reconciliation bill. They are limited in what it can do.
quote:
And what is so great about this bill without cuts? Explain to me why I should want this. Are you just a groupie who wants it just because Trump says it's good? Even though it's just another bloated bill, no different than what democrats would write?
It is impossible to answer these questions because you begin with a false premise. This bill has cuts. Try again with a good faith and legitimate premise and I will give you a good faith answer.
quote:
I'd rather pass nothing
There are two options:
1. Pass nothing at all during Trump's term while Republicans control Congress and give control right back to the Dems.
2. Pass this bill.
I guess you'll get option 1.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 9:06 am
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:06 am to roadGator
quote:Thing is, they'd need 60 votes for a "smaller" bills. This bill can pass with 51 under reconciliation.
I have a solution and it was also mentioned above. Break the bill down into smaller pieces. Now what?
Essentially your solution is no solution at all because they would never be able to pass the smaller bills with 60 votes.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:06 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
A few weeks after saying he might cut it in half.
I missed that.
Oh yeah.. Read this drivel.
quote:
"At some point, when things settle down, I'm going to meet with China and I'm going to meet with Russia, in particular those two, and I'm going to say there's no reason for us to be spending almost $1 trillion on the military ... and I'm going to say we can spend this on other things," Trump said.
"When we straighten it all out, then one of the first meetings I want to have is with President Xi of China and President Putin of Russia, and I want to say let's cut our military budget in half. And we can do that, and I think we'll be able to do that," he added.
LINK
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:07 am to imjustafatkid
quote:Jeebus. This is *exactly* the same things Democrats were saying about shoving through Obamacare in 2009-2010.
This is the mindset of someone who wants nothing to get passed. There won't be a single time in Trump's presidency where 10 Dems in the Senate (or maybe more if Murkowski, Turtle, Collins aren't on board) will vote for a bill.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:08 am to roadGator
quote:
At least it isn’t Kamala.
I’ll always appreciate him saving us from Killary and the Ho.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:08 am to TrueTiger
quote:
By design.
If our leaders did what was necessary for the survival of the Republic they would lose their elections. Our system is one that punishes its elected officials for doing the right thing. It is corrupt and irredeemable.
Well yes, by design. Unless you think they will overturn the Byrd Rule, this is what must happen.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:10 am to imjustafatkid
quote:Nope. If they want pass the "recissions", bill then do it. *THEN* pass teh BBB, and everyone can vote for it.
Because this is a reconciliation bill. They are limited in what it can do.
HINT: they are never going to pass the "cuts". And the "cuts" in BBB will never happen in 2028.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:10 am to BugAC
quote:Ok, then congress spends all their time arguing over extending the debt limit (which they are going to do in the end anyway). Leaving no time to fight and argue over anything else.
1) No extension of the debt ceiling.
quote:Agreed, however there has to be enticements to get the wishy washy repub's to vote for it.
2) No added $2.6 trillion in spending
quote:Then you need 60 votes to pass in the senate and we're never going to get that.
3) break it up into smaller, spending only bills.
quote:Do this under "Recission" like the 9 Billion in allocated spending that's already been proposed to be recinded.
4) Cut fricking government waste. Elon was trying to do this, then was stabbed in the back with this bill.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:11 am to PhtevenWithaV
quote:
As many small bills as it takes instead of one massive omnibus bill. frick Trump and most of the republicans ran promising to stop passing massive omnibus bills but here we are a massive garbage omnibus bill thats not likely to pass in the senate now
Glad to see we agree. Most people opposing this bill want to pass everything on Trump's agenda in one fell swoop. That is obviously moronic and only stupid people would pretend that is possible and advocate for things like that.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 9:12 am
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:12 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
Jeebus. This is *exactly* the same things Democrats were saying about shoving through Obamacare in 2009-2010.
This is a weird response to what I said. How many Republicans voted for Obamacare?
You essentially made my point for me.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:14 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
Nope. If they want pass the "recissions", bill then do it. *THEN* pass teh BBB, and everyone can vote for it.
HINT: they are never going to pass the "cuts". And the "cuts" in BBB will never happen in 2028.
OK, then we won't get any cuts, the Trump tax cuts will expire, Republicans will get nothing accomplished, and you'll pretend Trump didn't do anything.
Congrats?
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:15 am to imjustafatkid
quote:
and you'll pretend Trump didn't do anything.
THe cult of personality. This is all politics means to yall, covering for Trump.
Its really pathetic.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:17 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
This is *exactly* the same things Democrats were saying about shoving through Obamacare in 2009-2010.
At a time when the dims had a supermajority in the senate? It's not exactly relevant at all to the current situation.
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