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re: To those who oppose the Big Beautiful Bill

Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:07 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299260 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:07 am to
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Interesting. So you're a big fan of the Murkowski, McConnel, Romney, McCain style Republican Party of old?


Ron Paul, etc.

The opposite direction from you, Democrats.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157758 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:08 am to
Moderates like Massie and Rand?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65783 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:08 am to
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No one is white knighting for him. I'm asking you where he said what you claim said. Where did he oppose those tax cuts?


Well, with this level of analysis I can see why you can't understand how this bill is good. You're incapable of reading what someone is saying and understanding where they're coming from.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:08 am to
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Nope, not strawman.
Ok. I can't find it. Where did he...
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Says the guy who wants to elect Dems to reduce the debt.
I cannot seem to find it? Help a brother out, man.

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The only way to oppose that statement is to support Democrats gaining power. There is no other option.
Right. Like how if you oppose AR15 banning you want school children to be shot. There is no other option.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65783 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:08 am to
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Populists are anti elitists. You folks were always going to turn on him at some point.


This hasn't happened.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:10 am to
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Exactly! We need more good Republicans like Mike Johnson.
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He did a dang good job ginning up support for this bill. He should be commended.
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Interesting. So you're a big fan of the Murkowski, McConnel, Romney, McCain style Republican Party of old?
Ok. I don't feel guilty any more.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65783 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:10 am to
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I aint reading this whole damn thread but I have a problem with the AI provisions in it


Maybe this is something people are talking about, but this is the first I've seen it. Can you tell me what you mean?
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4686 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:10 am to
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Anything can look good if you only cout the good stuff.
By the same token, anything can look BAD if you only count the BAD stuff.... We have to take the good with the bad. Look at it this way

If the debt was weight, we'd be MASSIVELY overweight. Like 400 lbs overweight. The fat guy can't immediately go from consuming 6000 calories a day to 800 over night. And he can't go from walking 10 feet to walking 10 miles over night.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 11:15 am
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157758 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:11 am to
No. It’s not that some can’t understand you it’s that some, including me, are tired of go along to get along.

I know where you are coming from. Let’s take what you see as a small step and hope for more small steps to get to the big step.

Free beer tomorrow isn’t appealing any longer.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 11:14 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:11 am to
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Well, with this level of analysis


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You're incapable of reading what someone is saying and understanding where they're coming from.
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Where did he oppose those tax cuts?
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 11:12 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65783 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:11 am to
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Ron Paul, etc.

The opposite direction from you, Democrats.


etc? Who are the etc?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65783 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:12 am to
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Moderates like Massie and Rand?


I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. Massie and Rand are the hardline conservative types who refuse to compromise ever and therefore never get anything they want. They give power to the Murkowskis of the world who will happily vote with Democrats and effectively negate the R majority.

ETA: These guys are just as much the problem as the RINOs because when they have power they let it slip away by preventing the majority from getting anything conservative accomplished.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 11:15 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:14 am to
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By the same token, anything can look BAD if you only count the BAD stuff.... We have to take the good with the bad.
Indeed. Absolutely.

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Look at it this way
... we have $35T in debt, and add $1T in debt every 100 days. Tell me about the good parts of this bill.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:15 am to
Which candidate did you vote for and how are they fixing the problem?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:15 am to
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No. It’s not that some can’t understand you it’s that some, including me, are tired of go along to get along.
Crazy how it went from "drain the swamp" to "get along with the swamp".
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65783 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:16 am to
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No. It’s not that some can’t understand you it’s that some, including me, are tired of go along to get along.

I know where you are coming from. Let’s take what you see as a small step and hope for more small steps to get to the big step.

Free beer tomorrow isn’t appealing any longer.


This bill is a HUGE step. You're letting people who want nothing to get accomplished fool you into believing otherwise.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:16 am to
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Which candidate did you vote for
classic
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and how are they fixing the problem?
He isn't. That's the point.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 11:17 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65783 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:16 am to
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Crazy how it went from "drain the swamp" to "get along with the swamp".


You are advocating for the swamp with your opposition to this bill.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:16 am to
So you voted for someone but had no clue what his plan was. Derp
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65783 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:17 am to
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He isn't.


Just been not paying attention for 6 months, or???
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