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re: To those who oppose the Big Beautiful Bill

Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:25 am to
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:25 am to
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You left out the most important part of what I said:
No. I left the important part in.

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They don't have the votes to do that without first passing this bill.
Is bullshite. Spending more is a silly way to get votes for spending less.

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Let me guess: you don't think this is a strawman because you don't know what a strawman is.
Not a stawman, because it isn't. I can read Trump's tweets. Can you?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299260 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:26 am to
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Only one of us is arguing for positions that will put Dems back in power,


You absolutely are. After he further fricks up the economy, there will be no Republican for a while.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:27 am to
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Social Security is not the only entitlement.
Fair. So you pick the entitlement where benefits will be cut.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65779 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:27 am to
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Its a worthless exercise, the taxes will come via other sources, like tariffs.


This is gold. It's like you're on a mission to prove everything I'm saying about you correct.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:27 am to
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Thanks for confirming that you oppose making the Trump tax cuts permanent.
Not *that* is a strawman.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65779 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:27 am to
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Is bullshite. Spending more is a silly way to get votes for spending less.


If it is, then saying they should pass the cuts before this bill also is. It's the same thing either way.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299260 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:28 am to
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None of this is true.


Gotcha. You need educating.

1) Free Markets (I shouldnt have to define this)
2) Competition
3) Individuality
4) Liberty over collective security.
5) LIMITED GOVERNMENT
6) Fiscal rssponsibility
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65779 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:28 am to
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Fair. So you pick the entitlement where benefits will be cut.


Already asked and answered. It removes illegal aliens.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65779 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:29 am to
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Not *that* is a strawman.


No it isn't. He confirmed that's what he wants.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299260 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:29 am to
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This is gold.


Trumps spending in 2021 destroyed any benefit a tax break gave you.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4686 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:29 am to
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One day you baws will figure it out.
Screw you, you pompous, pretentious, condescending, arrogant, know-it-all, smug a-hole. In the real world, outside of mommy and daddy's basement you can't get everything you want. The debt ceiling is going to be raised no matter what. They always have and they are likely to always do so. Get it out of the way now, so the politicians can work on other things. They can cut spending item by item with Recision and 51 votes....
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:30 am to
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Trumps not a Republican.
I donno man. He seems to really like Mike Johnson and Lindsy Graham. He's not cutting spending, using the "we'll get 'em next time" line of okeydoke... seems pretty run-of-the-mill GOPE.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55479 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:30 am to
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This is the mindset of someone who wants nothing to get passed. There won't be a single time in Trump's presidency where 10 Dems in the Senate (or maybe more if Murkowski, Turtle, Collins aren't on board) will vote for a bill.

Probably not, but do you just keep on the downward spiral or do you shut things down and bring on the war?
Posted by Chorizo chang
Statesboro
Member since Feb 2022
837 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:30 am to
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They want Trump to take a stand on cutting the budget, and use his considerable salesmanship to bring public pressure to get a deficit reduction bill he can sign into law


Don’t forget how much they beat there chest about Elon funding the primaries of any obstructionists that got in the way of Trumps mandate

I assume that’s all out the window now
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299260 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:30 am to
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The debt ceiling is going to be raised no matter what.


Spoken like a true Progressive
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:31 am to
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Is that an Obamacare reference?
Yeah.

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That half assed approach was a failure because it was so watered down
But we have to pass something,
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65779 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:31 am to
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1) Free Markets (I shouldnt have to define this)


You don't want free markets. You want markets where we allow everyone to bend us over the rail and screw us. You oppose the efforts made by Trump to force other countries to deal with us fairly and bring us closer to actual free markets.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299260 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:31 am to
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I donno man. He seems to really like Mike Johnson and Lindsy Graham


People MAGA have been calling RINOs .


I guess they arent RINOS?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65779 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:31 am to
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Trumps spending in 2021 destroyed any benefit a tax break gave you.


Nope, hasn't happened.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299260 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:32 am to
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You don't want free markets


Here comes the progressive spin.
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