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re: To those saying Trump can’t declare Transtifa a terrorist organization

Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:02 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:02 am to
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Like the Gambino family?

Exactly

Rose City Antifa = Gambino family

"Antifa" = "Cosa Nostra"

*ETA: I changed "organized crime" to "Cosa Nostra" to be more specific
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 9:05 am
Posted by DaBama
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:02 am to
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Which Antifa local group is funded directly?


Probably whichever one that shows up to receive their pre-arranged pallets of bricks. Are you expecting them to have a website?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:04 am to
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Probably whichever one that shows up to receive their pre-arranged pallets of bricks.


Even in that example, I doubt those funds were in any way direct.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:05 am to
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Who is that leadership group with Antifa?


Probably the people that are organizing, sending them pallats of bricks and supplies, etc...

I think that's the point. We don't know who is pulling the strings, but i'm sure you are open to investigations of who is funding these terrorists, correct?

LINK

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Through a developed network of radical leftist legal groups, like the National Lawyers Guild, lawfare against cities and police departments is the go-to method for payloads. At nearly every left-wing “direct action” or riot, you’ll see NLG “legal observers” move in and out with the mob to record police. This “evidence gathering” is propaganda made to portray the police in the worst possible light while specifically omitting any recordings of what their comrades do.


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Independent press are subjected to assault and robbery by others in the group to maintain tight control over the narrative and any photographic evidence. Kyle Seraphin, a former-FBI agent who was assigned to do surveillance in Portland during the 2020 Antifa riots, says the green-hat “legal observers” were linked via radio with the mob and worked as auxiliary counter-surveillance.

Seraphin told me: “My team witnessed several instances of NLG hat-wearing ‘legal observers’ calling out the license plates of suspected surveillance personnel [over] radios — sometimes accurately, sometimes not. These call-outs were met with a response by 5-6 uniformly clad, black-bloc individuals who attempted to intimidate the suspected ‘fed.’ ”

On March 5, an NLG member and staff attorney for the Southern Poverty Law Center named Thomas Jurgens was charged with domestic terrorism for his alleged involvement in a violent Antifa attack on police in Atlanta.

When the NLG’s legal observers and their comrades are arrested, they’re immediately provided with pro-bono legal aid and connections for bail money (rioters often write the NLG’s phone number on their body in anticipation of arrests.)

And then the lawsuits come.


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Last year, New York City agreed to pay tens of thousands to NLG members arrested in the Bronx in June 2020.

In Detroit, NLG members are suing the city for alleged wrongful conduct stemming from its police response in 2020.


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In Portland, for example, the 2020 riot suspects that needed bail money due to the seriousness of their felony charges later received the cash back when district attorney Mike Schmidt declined to prosecute. I witnessed this creating an incentive for rioters to get arrested, as outside groups covered the bail and the suspect would keep the returned cash when the case was dropped.


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The NLG is just one among dozens of well-financed legal groups across the U.S. operating to help the far left.

In Philadelphia, the Legal Defense Fund, which was one of the groups representing the plaintiffs in last week’s multi-million dollar settlement, previously received a $1 million pledge from Soros’ Open Society Foundations.


So, we have a few financiers identified.

National Lawyers Guild
Philadelphia's the Legal Defense Fund
Soros' Open Society Foundation
Southern Poverty Law Center

At the very least, they should be investigated for funding open insurrection against the United States, correct?
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:06 am to
Now tell me about the commission?
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:09 am to
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Even in that example, I doubt those funds were in any way direct.


So, you are only interested in direct funding? We shouldn't look into taxpayer funding to organizations who then use that money to fund these terror groups?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:10 am to
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They are clearly funded and organized. Those funding it don’t want to be known and are probably some combination of wealthy donors
The same could be said of almost every church in america.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:11 am to
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And you don't really want to start the mafia comparisons because that hurts labeling ANTIFA as a single organization.


Don't they self identify as a single organization? They even have flags and labels.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:15 am to
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Doubling down and celebrating the expansion of the policy/power is not only hypocritical, but a bad move for all of us moving forward.
Its like they learned nothing from the Patriot act.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:16 am to
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but i'm sure you are open to investigations of who is funding these terrorists, correct?

Sure. I don't know why that wouldn't have been done by now, if they had anything.

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So, we have a few financiers identified.

National Lawyers Guild
Philadelphia's the Legal Defense Fund
Soros' Open Society Foundation
Southern Poverty Law Center


I don't think this is accurate. I know Sorors's stuff funds some NGOs and that money flows (likely through various independent NGOs) into these localized Antifa groups.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:28 am to
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So, you are only interested in direct funding?

Well it's going to be much harder to make the argument if the funding is going through layers of independent groups making that decision (where the money flows elsewhere to groups without conflict, etc.)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:28 am to
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Don't they self identify as a single organization?

Antifa? No. On purpose.

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They even have flags and labels.

That's the "it's an idea" part.

The organizations are at the local level, like "Rose City Antifa"

LINK
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:31 am to
Some believe billionaire George Soros is responsible.

And they would be partially correct. Soros funds groups that form part of the support apparatus of left-wing militants — district attorneys, biased media and legal groups.

But his money doesn’t directly reach the pockets of militants on the street.

Who ends up paying far-left rioters like Antifa? Too often, taxpayers like you and me.

Through a developed network of radical leftist legal groups, like the National Lawyers Guild, lawfare against cities and police departments is the go-to method for payloads. At nearly every left-wing “direct action” or riot, you’ll see NLG “legal observers” move in and out with the mob to record police. This “evidence gathering” is propaganda made to portray the police in the worst possible light while specifically omitting any recordings of what their comrades do.

Seraphin told me: “My team witnessed several instances of NLG hat-wearing ‘legal observers’ calling out the license plates of suspected surveillance personnel [over] radios — sometimes accurately, sometimes not. These call-outs were met with a response by 5-6 uniformly clad, black-bloc individuals who attempted to intimidate the suspected ‘fed.’ ”

On March 5, an NLG member and staff attorney for the Southern Poverty Law Center named Thomas Jurgens was charged with domestic terrorism for his alleged involvement in a violent Antifa attack on police in Atlanta.

When the NLG’s legal observers and their comrades are arrested, they’re immediately provided with pro-bono legal aid and connections for bail money (rioters often write the NLG’s phone number on their body in anticipation of arrests.)

And then the lawsuits come. LINK
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46403 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:35 am to
I'm not reading through all this to see what angle you are pimping here but I don't like that comparison. The Mafia committed crime based financial motivations, not ideological/political. That's where the "terror" designation comes in. Besides, the mafia in the US was all but dead before domestic terror groups were really even a thing.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:36 am to
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:39 am to
you are spinning too hard on this one, bro. They all use the same name, imagery, flags, logos, etc.. they all have the same stated goals - but they aren't a single organization because they have local chapters?

GTFO
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:42 am to
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They all use the same name, imagery, flags, logos, etc..

And? That matters little when discussing the concepts of an organization.

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they all have the same stated goals - but they aren't a single organization because they have local chapters?

Uh, yeah, like how the Gambino Family was not the Genovese Family but both are Cosa Nostra/the mob.
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:49 am to
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Uh, yeah, like how the Gambino Family was not the Genovese Family but both are Cosa Nostra/the mob.

With a commision.

Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:58 am to
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Jbird


that's the same link i posted earlier.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57050 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:00 am to
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Uh, yeah, like how the Gambino Family was not the Genovese Family but both are Cosa Nostra/the mob.


No, more like ISIS.
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