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re: To those saying Trump can’t declare Transtifa a terrorist organization
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:53 am to the808bass
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:53 am to the808bass
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Show me that’s what Rohan was saying.
Well this is a thread about official terrorism designations.
However, I covered that already in my prior post, regardless, anticipating the use of the motte and bailey fallacy.
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Other than the meaningless "bankruptcy" example
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You assumed Rohan was referencing an official designation.
I covered both, actually.
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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So you're not going to answer my question, I take it?
Covering your face in not against the 1A. There are plenty of examples of where coving your face is not legal.
Why would anyone except a anarchists and liberal lawyers who defend them think it should be legal to cover your face to attend a protest? If you're not going to do things that violate the law why do you need to conceal your identity while legally protesting anything?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:56 am to the808bass
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Show me that’s what Rohan was saying. I included the context for a reason. You assumed Rohan was referencing an official designation.
Like it matters. The federal government has plenty of tools to crawl up your arse and make you miserable, and they have plainly done so for partisan reasons. Whether they use "official" terrorism tools or not is irrelevant.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:56 am to ChineseBandit58
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Most of the 'problems' the USA has experienced with how to manage the government has occurred since women were granted the right to vote.
And yet the Nineteenth Amendment came after the Sixteenth (1913), so the waters after the creation of the Federal Reserve, implementation of the Federal Reserve Act (Dec. 23, 1913) and passage of the legalization of income taxes muddies the waters considerably for any events downstream from this much more important culprit.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:00 am to Flats
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Like it matters. The federal government has plenty of tools to crawl up your arse and make you miserable, and they have plainly done so for partisan reasons. Whether they use "official" terrorism tools or not is irrelevant.
Well, in theory, the terrorism designation does give more intrusion-authority and much more authority to look up/downstream.
But, the general point is correct. And we should be working to decrease that intrusion-authority to prevent another example like the Catholic church one posted previously. Doubling down and celebrating the expansion of the policy/power is not only hypocritical, but a bad move for all of us moving forward.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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I covered both, actually.
Solid edit.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:02 am to the808bass
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Solid edit.
It was literally immediately edited in less than a minute.
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:28 am to RohanGonzales
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This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 7:28 am
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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This is the opposite of an insult
I didn’t mean it as an insult, but let me be more clear - you don’t seem to read what anyone writes or try to understand them. There are times you go into these flurries of posts that make up half the thread. That is, you don’t seem to be “thinking” much before posting.
And this is why you fail to change anyone on this board’s mind in any given issue.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well this is a thread about official terrorism designations.
In which both you and Bunk brought up the dangers of the official label of terrorist because then Democrats will wwwaaaahhh.
But Democrats have already given terror designations (also unofficial) and used those designations as predicates for investigations.
None of that bothers you because you’re a chimp jacking off.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well, in theory, the terrorism designation does give more intrusion-authority and much more authority to look up/downstream.
You think they need legal authority to do that? They don't give a shite. If they want to do something, they'll generate a fake file, they'll entrap people, they'll lie to a FISA judge, they'll do whatever they want to look up/downstream. We've already seen it.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:04 am to OceanMan
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you don’t seem to read what anyone writes or try to understand them.
Incorrect assumption.
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here are times you go into these flurries of posts that make up half the thread. That is, you don’t seem to be “thinking” much before posting.
Again, incorrect assumption.
I just process (and type) very quickly. That's why I said it was the opposite of an insult.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:04 am to SlayTime
You wouldn’t know it, but Armbruster, 5'5" and under 130 pounds, is a militant activist in the far-left Antifa movement. She has clashed on the streets with the rightwing Proud Boys extremist group, with the alt-right movement and with police.
Her arrest record – in Washington, DC, Arizona, Virginia, Minnesota and Florida – dates to 2003, for charges of unlawful assembly, failure to disperse, violating the Riot Act and assaulting far-right leaders and a police officer. Most of her prior charges were dismissed by judges or prosecutors; she faces three pending cases.
“We are prepared to put our bodies on the line in the event of police or fascist or racist violence,” she said. “And it’s really, like, a duty to humanity to do that, right?”
In reality, Antifa is not a well-structured organization, but rather a loosely organized, secretive movement of like-minded far-left activists. There are no leaders, no hierarchy and no formal membership. Instead, the activists organize in small units called “affinity groups.”
Armbruster now lives a nomadic lifestyle with another Antifa activist, plus her dog and cat, operating from a vintage canned-ham camper she tows from campground to campground. In one RV she sometimes lives in, a needlepoint sign on the window announces: “Come back with a warrant.”
These days, she travels with her friend and fellow Antifa activist Jesse Schultz, a bearded former construction worker and IT administrator who just turned 70 and is not shy to scuffle with the far-right.
Antifa activists view their mission as “deplatforming,” a method of blocking opponents from spreading their message.
LINK
Her arrest record – in Washington, DC, Arizona, Virginia, Minnesota and Florida – dates to 2003, for charges of unlawful assembly, failure to disperse, violating the Riot Act and assaulting far-right leaders and a police officer. Most of her prior charges were dismissed by judges or prosecutors; she faces three pending cases.
“We are prepared to put our bodies on the line in the event of police or fascist or racist violence,” she said. “And it’s really, like, a duty to humanity to do that, right?”
In reality, Antifa is not a well-structured organization, but rather a loosely organized, secretive movement of like-minded far-left activists. There are no leaders, no hierarchy and no formal membership. Instead, the activists organize in small units called “affinity groups.”
Armbruster now lives a nomadic lifestyle with another Antifa activist, plus her dog and cat, operating from a vintage canned-ham camper she tows from campground to campground. In one RV she sometimes lives in, a needlepoint sign on the window announces: “Come back with a warrant.”
These days, she travels with her friend and fellow Antifa activist Jesse Schultz, a bearded former construction worker and IT administrator who just turned 70 and is not shy to scuffle with the far-right.
Antifa activists view their mission as “deplatforming,” a method of blocking opponents from spreading their message.
LINK
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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He can only make such designations based on Congressional authority granted to him to do so. There is no such statute for a "domestic terror organization".
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:06 am to SallysHuman
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I duuno... but I can quote a LOT of you cats declaring that women shouldn't vote.
Right here, guilty as charged. It will be the vote of the liberal suburban Karen's that will keep the left relevant.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:07 am to SlowFlowPro
Now if you could edit your personality.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:08 am to Decatur
Rexcatur!
The SLA is alive!
The SLA is alive!
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:08 am to the808bass
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In which both you and Bunk brought up the dangers of the official label of terrorist because then Democrats will wwwaaaahhh.
But Democrats have already given terror designations (also unofficial) and used those designations as predicates for investigations.
So this is going with the "it's not really a designation" argument, aka the "bankruptcy" argument.
I covered that on page one in my literal first post ITT
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He can only make such designations based on Congressional authority granted to him to do so. There is no such statute for a "domestic terror organization".
Now he can say it, like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy, but it's a worthless designation, in that case.
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But Democrats have already given terror designations (also unofficial) and used those designations as predicates for investigations.
As I said previously, there was nothing special about those investigations re: terror. It was a standard FBI operation. And there was no terror designation given (as your partisan release states, "potential domestic terrorists" with no designation, official or otherwise, noted).
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:09 am to tketaco
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Anyone saying ANTIFA isn't a terrorist organization
Someone is organizing meetup times, dress codes and messaging.
Someone is communicating these plans using online social networks
Someone is paying agitators
Someone is funding signs, tents, and delivery of pallets of bricks.
There is leadership and there is funding. Perhaps I can't name who that person is, but I'm sure with some investigation these are knowable things. I'm not sure that the "decentralized" argument many are making disqualifies a group from being labeled terroristic.
ANTIFA is very similar, in my opinion, to the Weather Underground of the 1970s
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 8:10 am
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:11 am to SlowFlowPro
Now you’re committed more to being right about something than actual government overreach.
And we’re back to the chimp jacking off.
And we’re back to the chimp jacking off.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:13 am to the808bass
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Now you’re committed more to being right about something than actual government overreach.
Wrong
I already covered that, too.
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But, the general point is correct. And we should be working to decrease that intrusion-authority to prevent another example like the Catholic church one posted previously. Doubling down and celebrating the expansion of the policy/power is not only hypocritical, but a bad move for all of us moving forward.
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