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re: Tlaib hosting webinar for illegals to teach them how to evade ICE

Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:05 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:05 am to
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Add SFP to that list as well

I never thought I'd see this board call protecting our rights as "hating America"
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:05 am to
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No one is above the law. Lock her up. She is an insurrectionist treat her like the J6ers.

NIH, perfect example of why I correct the stupidity.

These people vote
Posted by ole man
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:07 am to
Name em douche bag
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:09 am to
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Name em douche bag


LINK

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The Right to Due Process
The Right to Legal Counsel
The Right Against Unreasonable Searches and Seizures
The Right to Education


I left off the weird "right to be with family" as that's an amalgamation of a few different rights
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
18447 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:28 am to
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The Right to Due Process
The Right to Legal Counsel
The Right Against Unreasonable Searches and Seizures
these are not really debatable, but i note you omitted The Right to a Speedy Trial
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The Right to Education
not Constitutional

if in fact this right was codified, it could be reasonably argued that the execution of it in regards to undocumented individuals infringes on the rights of US citizens by depriving them of finite resources (schools, teachers, funding, etc)
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I left off the weird "right to be with family" as that's an amalgamation of a few different rights
impossible to legally justify
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:30 am to
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Exactly what rights do illegals have


From what I understand, these seminars are basically explaining the differences between administrative warrants vs judicial warrants.

Administrative warrant:
-Issued by a federal agency, such as ICE or CBP
-Does not require probable cause
-Does not authorize a search of an area
-Authorizes an arrest or seizure
-Used for regulatory inspections and compliance checks

Judicial warrant:
-Issued by a court and signed by a judge or magistrate
-Requires probable cause
-Specifies the location, date, and time of the search
-Authorizes the search of private property, seizure, or arrest

Their idea is that most warrants ICE will be showing up with will be administrative warrants, thus those wishing to hide illegals can simply move them into a non-public area of a business or refuse ICE officials entry to their home. If they are caught doing so, however, they can face being charged with various crimes under Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a). These can have varying ranges of fines and imprisonment time (some up to 10 years).

Holding such seminars could fall under 1324(a)(1)(A)(v), depending on how they frame their presentations and advertisements. If they stay completely away from mentioning illegals (in whatever verbiage) and stick with only "here's the difference between the two types of warrants", it could be allowable speech. If they delve into something like "move any non-legalized migrants to the back office" or "you don't have to let ICE into your home if you have undocumented workers inside", then that likely falls under Conspiracy.

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Conspiracy/Aiding or Abetting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(v) expressly makes it an offense to engage in a conspiracy to commit or aid or abet the commission of the foregoing offenses.


What I am waiting for is to see someone try this when ICE shows up with a judicial warrant and these chucklefricks respond as if it's an administrative one.
Posted by Lizardman2
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:31 am to
Illegals webinar?



Why isn't this a crime?
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
14718 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:34 am to
Full on leftist groomer shitbag dujour.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:41 am to
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A bunch of them.


Yes. More than they should.

How horrible was that 1982 SCOTUS decision giving illegal children the right to a K-12 education?
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 10:50 am
Posted by prouddawg
Member since Sep 2024
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:44 am to
She should be impeached and convicted but Democrats wouldn’t vote for that even if there was video of her having sex with a 12 year old family member - which is an actual possibility.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
19246 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:44 am to
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No one is above the law. Lock her up. She is an insurrectionist treat her like the J6ers.


Nothing will happen to her.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
19246 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:45 am to
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Sounds like aiding and abetting to me! Lock her arse up or better deport her!


Is she actually breaking the law?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:48 am to
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Their idea is that most warrants ICE will be showing up with will be administrative warrants, thus those wishing to hide illegals can simply move them into a non-public area of a business or refuse ICE officials entry to their home. If they are caught doing so, however, they can face being charged with various crimes under Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a). These can have varying ranges of fines and imprisonment time (some up to 10 years).


The big issue is going to be the specificity of the investigation that's alleged. If an illegal calls up their representative and says ice is at my door, and the representative says go hide, then that would probably potentially be under the statue. Giving general legal advice, especially when it would be considered political speech, it's going to be almost impossible to fit into that statute.

You would be basically arguing that if a normal criminal demanded that police executing a search warrant actually have the warrant, and someone told him about this constitutional right, that that would be aiding and abetting, which is clearly absurd. Advising citizens of the legal limits of prosecutorial authority is protected speech. Advising someone in a specific situation to respond to prosecutorial authority, may end up being within the class of crimes you're referencing
Posted by NorCali
Member since Feb 2015
1304 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:55 am to
From the constitution, congressionally passed, or executive order? Seriously interested to know
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 9:00 am to
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she actually breaking the law?


Yes

It’s codified into that Knowingly harboring an undocumented immigrant is a federal crime. The law is found in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) and 8 U.S.C. Section 1324.

The harboring prohibition applies to everyone, not just those who smuggle undocumented immigrants
It applies to concealing, harboring, or shielding unauthorized aliens from detection in any place, including any building or any means of transportation

Encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to enter the United States
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
19246 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 9:05 am to
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Is she actually breaking the law?


Yes

It’s codified into that Knowingly harboring an undocumented immigrant is a federal crime. The law is found in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) and 8 U.S.C. Section 1324.

The harboring prohibition applies to everyone, not just those who smuggle undocumented immigrants
It applies to concealing, harboring, or shielding unauthorized aliens from detection in any place, including any building or any means of transportation

Encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to enter the United States


When do you think she'll be arrested?
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
10492 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:02 am to
Anti-American. She should be put in jail since she's trying to help a criminal.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:03 am to
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From the constitution

Recognized via various courts (including the Supreme Court)
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
34949 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:11 am to
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what they do have are 2 separate conversations.
You start one (the second conversation).
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
48802 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:19 am to
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