re: Ti and Candace Owens debate

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4. In fairness, his original question was a valid one (“What era is MAGA trying to replicate?”).

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Do black people really think Make America Great Again has anything to do with race? It was a terrible question and she should have destroyed it even with TI and the crowd distracting her.

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Perhaps that is why he did not want to let her answer the question?

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In fairness, his original question was a valid one (“What era is MAGA trying to replicate?”)

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It's really a dumb question with an obvious answer. MAGA isn't trying to replicate any era with 100% accuracy.

When Rome was great, they still had poor people and slaves. Yet, the technological achievements and wealth of the country were off the charts.

When Britain was great, they had an empire that stretched around the world and had enormous wealth and power. Yet, there was still poverty and a lower class.

When Greece was great, they had immeasurable scientific and philosophic advances. Yet, there was still poverty and war.

When Egypt was great, they had amazing construction, wealth, and science. Yet, there were still people that weren't prosperous.

In all "great" societies, there were still some people that were not well off. It's obvious that making a country great means improving the country as a whole, which provides more opportunities to more people. A rising tide lifts all boats. Only idiots and people obsessed with race try to equate MAGA to anything else.

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I doubt that more than two or three people here will actually go to YT,

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I am when I get off work today

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his original question was a valid one (“What era is MAGA trying to replicate?”)

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Not a valid question at all, tbh.

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Why not?

I suspect that the answer would be something like the following:

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MAGA is not about perfectly-recreating a specific historical era in our history. All historical periods have strengths and weaknesses, and no one wants to recreate the more-negative aspects of our past ... whether we are discussing slavery, Jim Crow, anti-Semitism or McCarthyism, But one characteristic shared through much of our history has been a positive ethos of hope about the future. That ethos seems to have been lost in recent decades, and re-connecting with that ethos is the essence of MAGA.

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What would have been wrong with that question and answer?

They probably got “suggestions” from other influential/thought leaders that just said the following:

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Just shout her down; drown her out; get the audience to talk over her.............we cannot have her speaking to our people directly.

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You can have whatever you liiiiiiiike...we take da money from da whiiiiiiiiiites.

Bumped for those who missed this thread yesterday.

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Do black people really think Make America Great Again has anything to do with race?

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Leaders on the left try to blunt MAGA by suggesting it is a code phrase for the "good old days." Although not perfect, even black folks had some benefits in the 1950s, for example. Their families were intact, their real wages were growing and barriers were coming down, albeit at a glacial pace.

The "revolution" of the 1960s, of course, directly the toppled the literal legal barriers all at once, but all the things that came out of it - particularly the War on Poverty(tm) and War on Drugs(tm) just unofficially re-enslaved millions of black folks with their willing participation.

If it wasn't so tragic, one might laugh at the irony and paradox.

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The slogan is Make America Great Again not Make America the Same as it Used to Be.

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The problem is that Candace lost the audience when she started with “Slavery had existed everywhere on the planet.”. That sounds like a justification, even if not how it was intended. You must be aware of your audience.

If MAGA is NOT about “race,” why LEAD with race in response? Counterproductive.