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Posted on 8/26/25 at 7:28 pm to APHA
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Pfizer has been around since 1849 and has produced zero cures for any disease.
Who told you this?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:05 pm to notsince98
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Using poor science.
People really don't understand how little the medical profession really knows. Remember in the 80's how many people died from stomach ulcers? The medical had said that ulcers were caused by stress and diet. Finally, about 25 years ago, they finally found that ulcers were caused by a bacteria and could be cured with antibiotics. Antibiotics had been around for almost 60 years and they finally figured it out.
What is really needed is to revisit some of what they "know" and apply actual science with placebo groups and no one in the study having financial gain at stake be involved in admission or evaluation of the study. Maybe this is a good place for AI?
Yes, we have learned a lot and think that we have most of the answers. That is human nature, but seldom actually true. George Washington's doctor would have told you he was one of the most learned doctors in the country as he prepared George for that final round of blood letting - without washing his hands. You don't know what you don't know until you know it.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:28 pm to crazy4lsu
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They should be, and in the US it is generally the case. V
If the mother is tested there is no need for the vax especially within hours of birth. And to say no down side means there zero side effects and we but know that's wrong. So what percentage of people are you willing to throw out for no reason?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:29 pm to NC_Tigah
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People here don't need to be prophylaxed for river blindness either.
But, had they been, maybe covid wouldn't have been such a big deal?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:31 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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too young for a particular jab
Ha
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:38 pm to Schleynole
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And to say no down side means there zero side effects and we but know that's wrong.
What are the side effects of hepatitis B vaccination?
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So what percentage of people are you willing to throw out for no reason?
The side effects of possible hepatitis b infection are far worse in my view.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:47 pm to OccamsStubble
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If you now believe that the definition of a vaccine is “something causing an antibody response”, then the vaccine for Covid is Covid.
You're getting very close to learning something, baw. We nearly eradicated polio with... live polio virus. The first vaccine (smallpox) was... a viral infection. If these contrarians get their way, we'll return to old tech including maybe live virus vaccines which could actually make the vaccine for covid being live covid. Would it be more effective? Unlikely. Faster to develop? Nope. Safer? Also no. Would other countries want to buy it from us? Probably not. But we will be free of the debbilvax!
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:52 pm to NC_Tigah
NC_Tigah. A voice of common sense.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:35 pm to burger bearcat
Most are good for humanity. Anything Bill Gates endorses is garbage and will probably do more harm than good.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 4:11 am to Schleynole
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If the vaccines work then why do people care if everyone is vaxxed?
You hate black people and are anti-muh-science if you doubt that all vaccines aren't the bestest things in the world.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 6:09 am to crazy4lsu
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lol, you don't know what you are talking about
You’re the Mensa suggesting that a vaccine is 1) anything that initiates an antibody response and also 2) reduces symptoms on infection
That’s Faucis definition, it doesn’t align with 20th and 21st century thought on what a vaccine is.
So, run along.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:16 am to crazy4lsu
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Infectious disease doesn't care about that.
That's a silly statement. Of course a healthy lifestyle protects against infectious disease. Why do you think Covid mostly killed fat people? Most people just got over it. Those that got some sunshine and had a healthy diet did just fine.
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What are the detrimental side effects of vaccines/medicines?
There are numerous side effects. Watch any drug commercial and you'll hear a litany of side effects. Anything you put into your body has the potential for dangerous side effects. We accept the risk largely due to our confidence in the medications, but that doesn't change the fact that people die or are injured by modern medicine every day.
If nothing else, we have also created new bugs by over-prescribing antibiotics. There's a dangerous rise of fungal and bacterial infections in the US that are difficult to treat. What will be the long term implications? Who knows? But over-treatment of every cough and sniffle is doing long-term harm to the population. That much is indisputable.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 10:59 am to Ricardo
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That's a silly statement. Of course a healthy lifestyle protects against infectious disease
Historically, infectious disease did not care about that. There were several pathogens that could easily target the 'healthy.' We've mostly conquered those pathogens through various public health measures, hence why you can believe this without any reference to those pathogens.
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There are numerous side effects. Watch any drug commercial and you'll hear a litany of side effects. Anything you put into your body has the potential for dangerous side effects. We accept the risk largely due to our confidence in the medications, but that doesn't change the fact that people die or are injured by modern medicine every day.
It is very rare for a medicine to be worse than the condition it treats.
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If nothing else, we have also created new bugs by over-prescribing antibiotics
We have not created 'new bugs.' These are the same pathogens which already have resistance measures.
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There's a dangerous rise of fungal and bacterial infections in the US that are difficult to treat
These pathogens almost exclusively target the immunocompromised. These are also not new infections. They have existed for a long time. There are several fungi that are basically ubiquitous and there are several bacteria which can be part of normal flora. This is a plagued understanding of microbiology man.
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What will be the long term implications? Who knows? But over-treatment of every cough and sniffle is doing long-term harm to the population. That much is indisputable.
What? Show me the data and describe to me what specific harms.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 11:03 am to OccamsStubble
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You’re the Mensa suggesting that a vaccine is 1) anything that initiates an antibody response and also 2) reduces symptoms on infection
Read your initial statement again dumbass. Secondly, yes, a vaccine which introduces antigenic material to provoke an antibody response is what differentiates it from a medication. Provoking some type of immune response is the entire point.
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That’s Faucis definition, it doesn’t align with 20th and 21st century thought on what a vaccine is.
You don't understand the history of vaccination and how our understanding has changed over time. It isn't 'Fauci's' definition. It is literally a textbook definition that has existed for 2 decades. Go look at the editions of Cellular Immunology and see for yourself. Of course, you won't. Sad!
Posted on 8/27/25 at 11:43 am to TigerDoc
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quote:If you now believe that the definition of a vaccine is “something causing an antibody response”, then the vaccine for Covid is Covid.
You're getting very close to learning something, baw. We nearly eradicated polio with... live polio virus
You’re beyond confused, ‘baw’.
An attenuated or killed virus is not a live virus.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 11:45 am to crazy4lsu
The CDCP changed their definition to make Covid nonvaccines vaccines. And, my degree is in cellular immunology.
Nice try.
Nice try.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 11:48 am to OccamsStubble
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And, my degree is in cellular immunology
Hahahhahahahahahahahaa
No it isn't.
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The CDCP changed their definition to make Covid nonvaccines vaccines
Lol
Posted on 8/27/25 at 2:32 pm to burger bearcat
You want a serious answer?
I believe in them. I believe God gave men the knowledge to develop them. I don't think human immune systems are the epitome of perfection. And I don't want to go back to the days where kids getting diseases was a rite of passage to "toughen them up" and parents used to have parties to go ahead and infect the whole brood.
Those diseases weren't minor. I remember having the measles and the mumps. Those diseases were sheer hell.
That being said, I don't believe they should be compelled by government. I believe people should have the right to do research, educate themselves and make their own decisions about whether to take them.
I got the shingles vaccine after seeing my brother get shingles literally in his eyes. (You don't want shingles in your damn eyes.)
I get the flu shot every year knowing full well that it's not 100% effective. I don't care. I've gotten it every year since I had the flu over the winter before Y2K and missed three weeks of work and was so sick (it was way worse than COVID) that on one occasion I literally prayed for death. I look at it as a simple case of mathematical odds. If the shot is only 20% effective, 20% gives me better odds than the 0% protection I get from not taking it.
I get the COVID shot, my body, my decision, basically because I'm an old man and because my wife is immunocompromised. Nobody's forcing me, I make my own choice, I grant people the respect of letting them "do them" as long as they grant me the reciprocity of allowing me to "do me."
I do get the non-MRNA Novovax shot, though. I absolutely support doing a timeout on all things MRNA. The non-MRNA Novovax shot caused me not one side effect, as opposed to those early COVID shots that about crushed me, but it made my arm hurt like a sumbitch though.
I believe in them. I believe God gave men the knowledge to develop them. I don't think human immune systems are the epitome of perfection. And I don't want to go back to the days where kids getting diseases was a rite of passage to "toughen them up" and parents used to have parties to go ahead and infect the whole brood.
Those diseases weren't minor. I remember having the measles and the mumps. Those diseases were sheer hell.
That being said, I don't believe they should be compelled by government. I believe people should have the right to do research, educate themselves and make their own decisions about whether to take them.
I got the shingles vaccine after seeing my brother get shingles literally in his eyes. (You don't want shingles in your damn eyes.)
I get the flu shot every year knowing full well that it's not 100% effective. I don't care. I've gotten it every year since I had the flu over the winter before Y2K and missed three weeks of work and was so sick (it was way worse than COVID) that on one occasion I literally prayed for death. I look at it as a simple case of mathematical odds. If the shot is only 20% effective, 20% gives me better odds than the 0% protection I get from not taking it.
I get the COVID shot, my body, my decision, basically because I'm an old man and because my wife is immunocompromised. Nobody's forcing me, I make my own choice, I grant people the respect of letting them "do them" as long as they grant me the reciprocity of allowing me to "do me."
I do get the non-MRNA Novovax shot, though. I absolutely support doing a timeout on all things MRNA. The non-MRNA Novovax shot caused me not one side effect, as opposed to those early COVID shots that about crushed me, but it made my arm hurt like a sumbitch though.
This post was edited on 8/27/25 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 8/27/25 at 2:46 pm to LakeCharles
“about 25 years ago,they finally found that ulcers were caused by a bacteria and could be cured with antibiotics.”
The Dr. that discovered this ,Barry Marshall presented a paper on Helicobacter Pylori at a conference alleging that this bacteria was the cause of peptic ulcer disease.
Drs.were outraged and considered him an idiot for suggesting such a thing,everyone “knew “ that bacteria couldn’t live in the acid environment of the stomach.Some went so far as to propose revoking his board certification as a gastroenterologist.He was considered the “village idiot”of the G.I community.
He eventually proved it by ingesting a culture of H.Pylori and taking pictures
of his stomach before and after.He went on to recieve the Nobel prize in medicine.
Very much reminds me of the T.D.Drs arguing couple years ago that the Covid MRNA “vaccine “was safe and effective.They just knew it because after all,they had been to medical school and therefore “knew” everything.
The Dr. that discovered this ,Barry Marshall presented a paper on Helicobacter Pylori at a conference alleging that this bacteria was the cause of peptic ulcer disease.
Drs.were outraged and considered him an idiot for suggesting such a thing,everyone “knew “ that bacteria couldn’t live in the acid environment of the stomach.Some went so far as to propose revoking his board certification as a gastroenterologist.He was considered the “village idiot”of the G.I community.
He eventually proved it by ingesting a culture of H.Pylori and taking pictures
of his stomach before and after.He went on to recieve the Nobel prize in medicine.
Very much reminds me of the T.D.Drs arguing couple years ago that the Covid MRNA “vaccine “was safe and effective.They just knew it because after all,they had been to medical school and therefore “knew” everything.
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