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re: Those in construction: any talk of what happens when DJT deports your workers?
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:23 am to stout
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:23 am to stout
I have personally seen "Mexican" framers do some shitty framing work and cost contractors thousands of dollars on jobs to have it redone properly. 1 missed the beam height on a roof by 2 feet and had to tear the whole roof off and reframe it. They build shite like a 3rd world country with structural issues and contractors apparently are buying building inspectors alot of steak dinners to get the shite passed.
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Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:23 am to stout
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ITT I learned that Roger is pro-illegal invaders entering the country so we have cheap labor. The exact same talking point as liberals.
The same grade school understanding as your MAGA peers.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:27 am to ShoeBang
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Getting a green card isn’t that hard
It's super easy, just several years of holding down a job in the us on visas, an employer that will sponsor you, and paying legal fees, declarations etc.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:28 am to Robcrzy
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have personally seen "Mexican" framers do some shitty framing work and cost contractors thousands of dollars on jobs to have it redone properly. 1 missed the beam height on a roof by 2 feet and had to tear the whole roof off and reframe it. They build shite like a 3rd world country with structural issues and contractors apparently are buying building inspectors alot of steak dinners to get the shite passed.
All the white framers I know are tweakers. I'd much more readily trust the Mexican crew to not steel the off the site first chance they get
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:30 am to stout
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ITT I learned that Roger is pro-illegal invaders entering the country so we have cheap labor.
But only cheap labor for the lower wages industry. White-collar jobs should still be for Americans....or maybe he thinks a global free-for-all would be good for all American workers?
Personally I think he's just working out some new material.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:32 am to oklahogjr
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All the white framers I know are tweakers. I'd much more readily trust the Mexican crew to not steel the off the site first chance they get
In New York or wherever the frick you libtards live.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:34 am to Turnblad85
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But only cheap labor for the lower wages industry
If you had a modicum of basic econ knowledge, this wouldnt be so hard for you.
Everything requires tradeoffs. Youre not going to materialize 300,000 workers out of dust.
Our economy has evolved beyond low level mfg. its not coming back without A) Massive subsidies B) New streams of labor.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:35 am to Turnblad85
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Personally I think he's just working out some new material.
He has to be a contrarian to any MAGA position no matter the topic
Trump could come out today and say the sky is blue and Roger would die trying to disprove it
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:36 am to Yaboylsu63
Not when your subcontractors have to be documented in order to work for you, no. People who do it within the law have nothing to fear.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:36 am to CousinEDDIEEEE
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A lot of the legit constructions services use seasonal workers that have a work visa and come for 3-6 months during the busy building season and then return home for a few months before coming back.
yep
and notice how the OP is refusing to respond to you
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:38 am to stout
Welfare recipients should be given those jobs. Reduce their checks over a couple of months until they get on their feet.
Welfare should not be a way of life but a short term helping hand. IT is the yuge part of the budget and something we need to reform.
Welfare should not be a way of life but a short term helping hand. IT is the yuge part of the budget and something we need to reform.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Our economy has evolved beyond low level mfg. its not coming back without A) Massive subsidies B) New streams of labor. C Automation
Low level manufacturing will only exist in shitholes where the wages are so low that automation doesn't make economic sense.
This isn't difficult.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:39 am to Yaboylsu63
The only ones getting departed are those with court orders to leave. They're not all gonna magically disappear.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:40 am to Robcrzy
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have personally seen "Mexican" framers do some shitty framing work and cost contractors thousands of dollars on jobs to have it redone properly. 1 missed the beam height on a roof by 2 feet and had to tear the whole roof off and reframe it. They build shite like a 3rd world country with structural issues and contractors apparently are buying building inspectors alot of steak dinners to get the shite passed.
I’ve seen Mexican crews do far superior work in less time than their white counterparts. Contractor should have all over that situation you described., problem is too many contractors don’t know shite do they either don’t make an effort or don’t know when something’s wrong.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:40 am to Yaboylsu63
the only thing people care about in construction is no tax on OT
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:41 am to Turnblad85
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Another young illegal will replace you in a second if you aren't able to work anymore. They are disposable workers and most of the small outfits that hire them treat them as such. Silicosis from concrete dust at 40? "Who cares, just get one of the 20yo illegals to replace him". "Juan has a broken back from a roofing job? Never heard of him"
We remodeled a few years back. We mentioned to our GC that we really wanted to avoid having anybody that hasn’t been everified.
We know that’s not always possible but we at least wanted to make it known.
Lo and behold one of the painters fell off a ladder and shattered his leg.
The sub (not my GC) did everything to keep me from calling an ambulance.
While i obviously care about his well being and taking care of his family… I don’t want to get sued because the sub was committing fraud.
I asked the GC and “yes he was illegal, no we didn’t know, yes we fired that sub.”
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:41 am to lsutiger90
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If you’re legal, you can still opt to work 1099. I don’t think that goes away for employers.
I don't believe anyone can "opt to work 1099." There are specific rules that determine who can and cannot legally be designated as a contractor verses an employee. Now, my experience is that a lot of companies activly try to make certain employees contractors verses employees, putting all of the FICA burden on the employee.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:42 am to Turnblad85
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Low level manufacturing will only exist in shitholes where the wages are so low that automation doesn't make economic sense.
LIke Mexico, and Vietnam.
In this country, it would just hasten automation.
Build plants in Mexico, you have less immigration here.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:42 am to Old Character
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problem is too many contractors don’t know shite do they either don’t make an effort or don’t know when something’s wrong.
Too many "paper" contractors out there who only know how to study and pass a test to get a license but couldn't build a house out of legos if they had to do the actual labor.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:43 am to alphaandomega
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Welfare recipients should be given those jobs. Reduce their checks over a couple of months until they get on their feet.
Welfare should not be a way of life but a short term helping hand. IT is the yuge part of the budget and something we need to reform.
The problem being that a lot of these construction jobs are not unskilled jobs, but requires both skill and a good work ethic in order to do the job proficiently. All you’re going to do is find yourself with a lot of excuses why they can’t show up for work today, or having to babysit them all day to make sure they’re pulling off the bare minimum, which is going to either destroy your own productivity, or cost you more to hire more supervisors to be on site to do just that.
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