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re: This sure sounds like a terrorist organization to me

Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:13 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:13 pm to
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You never explicitly stated the president doesn't have the authority. You just simply sided with the people who said the president doesn't have the authority.

Wrong again.

1. The ruling did not claim the executive lacked any authority.

2. I have only argued the Executive lacks authority outside of the statutory and Constitutional authority granted to it, and the role of the judiciary is to analyze whether the Executive acted outside these limits. In no way can a person using logic and intelligence try to spin that argument into the strawman that the Executive lacks any authority.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:13 pm to
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It's always amazing when a bunch of welders, pipefitters, and forklift drivers feel so confident when insulting anyone's intelligence.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:14 pm to
So only actions a president has must be in writing.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476332 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:15 pm to
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So only actions a president has must be in writing.


Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41292 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:15 pm to
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The Trump era ramped up participation by political neophytes who are only educated via the echo chamber.


“Trump was convicted of rape” - You. Lying again. Who had to then apologize

You’re a walking echo chamber.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:16 pm to
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In no way can a person using logic and intelligence try to spin that argument into the strawman that the Executive lacks any authority.
But one of Trump's minions (probably Miller) said it, so it is Gospel and must be repeated.

A dozen or so of us have said ... repeatedly ... that the goal here is to assure that the Executive is not EXCEEDING its authority. They ignore that, again and again, to claim that we assert that the Executive HAS no authority.

It is just mind-numbingly stupid.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476332 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:16 pm to
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“Trump was convicted of rape” - You. Lying again. Who had to then apologize

I apologized for speaking too loosely when he was found liable for sexual assault. If that's the hill you want to die on, you're proving our point.

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You’re a walking echo chamber.


Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41292 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:17 pm to
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If that's the hill you want to die on


You were dead on it months ago.
Posted by tgrgrd00
Kenner, LA
Member since Jun 2004
11551 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:18 pm to
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The affidavit is linked in the article


That has nothing to do with your conjecture that they aren't a terrorist organization. Nothing. That is what I was referring to regarding national security designation.

But in reply to what you posted. They are illegal. That is grounds for deportation whether they have been found guilty of any other crime in a US court of law or not.
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 10:21 pm
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:18 pm to
Slow fani pro easily 300 posts today.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:19 pm to
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The interpretation of the admin's arguments can apply to citizens.

Nipping their silliness in the bud now prevents that.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28012 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:19 pm to
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For example, TdA’s takeover of Denver
apartment buildings stoked fear in the tenants when TdA committed burglaries, narcotics, and
Case 1:25-cv-00766-JEB Document 26-1 Filed 03/17/25 Page 2 of 6
weapons violations.


From the affidavit.

I'm fine with foreign criminal gangs that take over several apartment buildings and harass American citizens while local police forces sit on their thumbs being labeled terrorist orgs if that's what's needed to break through these legal shells protecting them in deep blue sanctuary cities and states.

If this is where we disagree, then we just disagree.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:21 pm to
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“Trump was convicted of rape” - You. Lying again. Who had to then apologize

I apologized for speaking too loosely when he was found liable for sexual assault.
And 4.5 years ago, I mistakenly said "murder" once, when I should have said "homicide," and corrected the error on the same damned page. On the same post, I said that there would be no murder CONVICTION, due to self defense.

To this date, that "murder" misstatement gets mentioned at least once per day, with the correction and caveat always being ignored.

It is who they are.
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 10:23 pm
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28012 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:21 pm to
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There has never been an unbiased judiciary.


Irrelevant. There's doing your best and wearing your biases on your arm.

Biden did the same shite and got zero push back. Now you want to piss and moan about it? Nah, IDGAF.

We're going to be playing by the same rules. If one side breaks them with zero repercussion, don't expect the other side to uphold them.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:23 pm to
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A dozen or so of us have said ... repeatedly ... that the goal here is to assure that the Executive is not EXCEEDING its authority.


They don't care about that anymore.

Prior to 2016, this post wouldn't be controversial among people who professed to be conservatives.

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Can anyone objectively make the case that the framers of the Constitution favored each one of them having the authority to overrule Presidential executive decisions?


Yes. Easily.

Executive orders exist for the President to direct executive agencies in carrying out legislation passed by Congress. They do not exist for the President to bypass Congress in creating new legislation.

It's the judicial branch's responsibility to check the executive branch when this happens. The only issue is that they've not done it nearly enough and are pushing rulings along party lines.

I'm sure MAGA will be along shortly to remind me how much they hate the Constitution and how the Founding Fathers were cucks anyway.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20704 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:23 pm to
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SFP, I understand your comment about welding school.
Licked a few windows yourself I see.

Maybe even a mailbox or 2.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476332 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:24 pm to
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That has nothing to do with your conjecture that they aren't a terrorist organization. Nothing.


I literally linked the federal definition for "domestic terrorism" and commented

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2 and 3 are automatically off the table.

The only avenue is 1, and that's clearly intended to be political-based intimidation, which we have no evidence of. Hell, ICE couldn't even articulate crimes for some that they snagged (and argued the lack of evidence of criminality was evidence of criminality).


So yeah, it matters in the conversation.

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They are illegal. That is grounds for deportation whether they have been found guilty of any other crime in a US court of law or not.

Nobody is disputing they're not subject to normal deportation proceedings assuming they are here illegally (which the proceedings should determine)
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28012 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:24 pm to
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Prior to 2016, this post wouldn't be controversial among people who professed to be conservatives.


"This isn't about Trump, it's about upholding the law."

Prior to 2016 local authorities wouldn't have allowed foreign gangs to take over apartment complexes.
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 10:25 pm
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97856 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:24 pm to
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I apologized for speaking too loosely when he was found liable for sexual assault


you have been wrong about everything and have severe TDS

Sexual.assault in Berdorf Dorfman

Have you ever been to that store?
Posted by tgrgrd00
Kenner, LA
Member since Jun 2004
11551 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:25 pm to
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Prior to 2016, this post wouldn't be controversial among people who professed to be conservatives.


District court judges didn't exist when the framers were framing.

That's a stupid point and irrelevant.
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