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re: This debate tonight proved my point.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:39 am to Jjdoc
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:39 am to Jjdoc
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He increased the GOP votes by 15 million in 2020.
Actually it was an 11,231,326 gain from 2016, but let’s round up to 15 million.
Now if you want to throw out Trump’s 2016 performance and go back to the next best Republican performance; it’s a gain of 12,175,544. Still not 15 million more.
But while Trump was bringing out a record number of votes so was the old man, Joe Biden. He brought in 11,353,129 more votes than Obama did.
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Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:59 am to doubleb
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And if you are right shouldn’t he win easily?
Depends on if states handled business on voting integrity.
Anybody who starts with the notion that 2020 was legit is burying their heads. To much evidence is out there. Like details in a current case in GA.
What amazes me is that we have people seeing in real time the amount of court cases to put Trump in literal prison. The assassination attempts... yet some how can not bring themselves to believe an election was bogus.
Those same people believe that if we just had a nice guy they would not do those things. You are just wrong. Understanding the issue is the problem. Here is the fight. It is between globalists who wants cheap labor (Koch brothers and more) and small unending wars.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:24 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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If you have an articulate, likeable candidate to present to the American people
Like those two bums McCain and Romney?
Nope. Like those three bums Vivek, Desantis, Vance. You start building a voting base by clearly explaining policy differences, and further that by not being an a-hole.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:32 am to SirWinston
quote:one is genuine and comfortable with his convictions and the other one isn't.
It's crazy how both JDV and DeSantis are both great with interviews but only JDVs skills translated to the debate stage
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:34 am to AU86
The problem with a Trumpless presidency is he is the only one that is untouchable to outside influence. I can't say with certainly that Vance or RDS wouldn't succumb to that, I can say Trump won't.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:35 am to Jjdoc
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What amazes me is that we have people seeing in real time the amount of court cases to put Trump in literal prison. The assassination attempts... yet some how can not bring themselves to believe an election was bogus.
There are two options. You can believe the election was rigged. Millions of votes were illegally cast and thousands of votes in swing states were fabricated for Biden.
Or you can believe that the cheating was insignificant and not enough to swing the election to Biden.
If you believe the first scenario then why are people here beating their heads against the wall? It’s going to happen again, right? Why get so worked up?
If you believe in the second scenario then you have to believe Trump can win; therefore, you have a reason to come here and follow the news.
Me? I’m in the second camp.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:53 am to doubleb
There is a 3rd option. It's believing what actually happened, that Trump won, and hoping that states did their jobs and courts did their jobs.
That's where I am at.
That's where I am at.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:55 am to Jjdoc
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There is a 3rd option. It's believing what actually happened, that Trump won, and hoping that states did their jobs and courts did their jobs.
That's where I am at.
You are firmly in group 1, and you are kidding yourself because the courts and the states are the same.
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:58 am to Jjdoc
quote:Cool. So was Romney and McCain
-Trump is the nominee
quote:We could say Biden did similar for democrats. Would it be an argument of merit?
- Trump is the one that added 15 million voters in 2020 to the gop
quote:Trump ran away from any further debates because he's scared of the moderators. But, yeah, he's ready for the "lions".
- Trump is the one going into the lions den to go after voters. Chicago, Detroit, Bronx... etc
quote:Link? How high would it be if Trump wasn't the titular head of the party?
- Trump is the reason the GOP now leads in voters identifying as republicans..Republicans... plus 3 now.
quote:I'd say people like Chris Rufo, Robbie Starbuck, Bill Ackman, and many others have done just... a bit.
- Trump is the one that exposed what was happening when your choices were going along with them.
Look I get it. You worship Trump. Just say so. But the idea that Trump's negatives don't have an impact is... well... silly.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:59 am to Flats
quote:Yep. And the 2022 data is even clearer. Trump and his proxies are AWESOME at driving turnout... for democrats.
That’s great unless he also added votes against him. Did he?
Posted on 10/2/24 at 12:00 pm to AU86
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If you have an articulate, likeable candidate to present to the American people against the awful record of Biden/Harris this would be a landslide.
Completely agree. Hilary wasn’t a strong candidate, Biden certainly wasn’t, and Kamala is better than both but would still be out of her league against a legit Republican. Yet the Republicans haven’t won the popular vote since George W. Bush. You can’t run a clown for president who surrounds himself with terrible, unqualified yes men, and has already failed as president and was ousted before a second term. I still keep my registered Republican status in the hopes that one day they move on from this shitshow and put someone out there I can get behind.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 12:01 pm to Jjdoc
quote:Poor Trump. The perpetual victim. He can't do anything about election integrity in the last 4 years... but he's totes going to destroy the swamp.
Depends on if states handled business on voting integrity.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 12:04 pm to doubleb
quote:If a person is in group 1, why would they back the same candidate?
You are firmly in group 1, and you are judging yourself because the courts and the states are the same.
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 10/2/24 at 12:05 pm to Froman
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Hilary wasn’t a strong candidate, Biden certainly wasn’t, and Kamala is better than both
Posted on 10/2/24 at 12:15 pm to Taxing Authority
Poor tax man. Trump hurt his widdle feelings and won the nominee
Posted on 10/2/24 at 12:46 pm to aib799
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I will be happy when Trump is gone.
the media and left have convinced you this. smh
Posted on 10/2/24 at 12:50 pm to Taxing Authority
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f a person is in group 1, why would they back the same candidate?
Because my groups are a subset of Trump voters.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 12:53 pm to Jjdoc
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Poor tax man. Trump hurt his widdle feelings and won the nominee
I'm not the least bit butt hurt. That for you guys, who are still butt hurt over 2020. Posted on 10/2/24 at 12:54 pm to doubleb
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Because my groups are a subset of Trump voters.
I know. That was the point. Posted on 10/2/24 at 12:58 pm to Taxing Authority
It's not butthurt. It's anger at what this nation has become.
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