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Things Aren't Looking Great For Trump In Supreme Court Tariff Arguments

Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:28 pm
Posted by Major Dutch Schaefer
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:28 pm
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Odds of the Supreme Court siding with Trump over tariffs tumbled on Wednesday, after conservative justices Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Coney Barrett asked tough questions during oral arguments in two cases.


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After the first hour of argument, the Trump administration's case justifying tariffs looked to be in serious trouble - specifically his claim that a 1977 economic emergency law grants the president unilateral power to impose tariffs at will.


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That said, the Trump admin has a plan if things don't go their way with the Supremes.

Trump's team for months has weighed using other laws as contingency plans to replace the Ieepa tariffs if they lose in court. That includes potentially deploying a never-before used provision in the Trade Act of 1974-Section 122- which allows for tariffs of up to 15% for 150 days to address trade imbalances with other countries. That would buy time for Trump to devise individualized tariffs for each major trading partner under a different provision of the same law, Section 301, which is used to counter unfair foreign trade practices.

That plan could be more legally defensible. The U.S. Court of International Trade, which ruled against Trump's tariffs, pointed to Section 122 as a more reasonable legal defense for global tariffs. Section 301, meanwhile, has long been used to address unfair foreign trade practices, and was deployed to underpin Trump's first-term tariffs on China. Additionally, the administration could also seek to use Section 338 of the Tariff Act of 1930, which allows the president to impose tariffs up to 50% on nations that discriminate against U.S. commerce.

The clawbacks here are going to be a shitshow...
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:29 pm to
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justices Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Coney Barrett asked tough questions



That means, if we're going on past history, that they're siding with Trump.
Posted by Rtowntiger
Member since Dec 2012
2558 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:33 pm to
Judges are supposed to ask tough questions. I love how it is a bad sign when conservative judges ask tough questions is considered "not looking great".
Posted by riccoar
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:34 pm to
Imagine being sued for trying to help America not get bent over and taken advantage of.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:35 pm to
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Imagine being sued for trying to help America not get bent over and taken advantage of.


Pure MAGA victimology.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:35 pm to
I don't know how they put the toothpaste back in the tube.

A sudden reversal might cause worldwide calamity.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:36 pm to
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Imagine being sued for trying to help America not get bent over and taken advantage of.


Who cares if it breaks the law and violates the Constitution, am I right?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:36 pm to
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I don't know how they put the toothpaste back in the tube.

A sudden reversal might cause worldwide calamity.


That would fall squarely on Trump's admin for fricking it up so badly and being so aggressive when they didn't have the authority to do so.
Posted by Figgy
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:38 pm to
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conservative justices Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Coney Barrett asked tough questions during oral arguments in two cases.


This is bad thing?
Posted by Kolbysfan
Member since Jun 2007
2153 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:38 pm to
I listened. There was only 1 “justice” who shall go unnamed (didn’t know what a Women was) that was arguing FOR opposition. She was literally leading the attorney.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:46 pm to
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The clawbacks here are going to be a shitshow...


Will never happen.

Also, it is contrary to logic (and legal reasoning) that the President has the authority to bar all trade under this law (full embargo), which would clearly impact all of the plaintiffs substantially more than the lesser sanction of tariffs.
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:47 pm to
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Pure MAGA victimology.


Pure kneejerk TDS horse shite
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:48 pm to
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Who cares if it breaks the law and violates the Constitution, am I right?


laughs in SNAP rulings
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292681 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:48 pm to
MAGA is more victim ridden than female progressives. Would have never predicted.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463641 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:51 pm to
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Also, it is contrary to logic (and legal reasoning) that the President has the authority to bar all trade under this law (full embargo), which would clearly impact all of the plaintiffs substantially more than the lesser sanction of tariffs.


Just because that specific power is authorized does not create a specific authority for tariffs which are not the same in nature as an outright bar. You're trying to link secondary effects and impacts of policy and ignoring the nature of the two policies themselves being analyzed
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 2:36 pm
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:52 pm to
It's like some of y'all are addicted to failure.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:53 pm to
The greater authority includes the lesser. Basic legal maxim.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:53 pm to
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Who cares if it breaks the law and violates the Constitution, am I right?
John Sauer had some pretty sharp arguments. He framed the tariffs as an exercise of the power to regulate foreign commerce. He contended any revenue raised by the tariffs is "incidental" to their primary purpose of changing consumer behavior, and serving as leverage in international negotiations. When challenged, he said we'd love for the tariffs to go away, because it would indicate the counterparty corrected behaviors requiring regulation in the first place.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:54 pm to
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That would buy time for Trump to devise individualized tariffs for each major trading partner under a different provision of the same law, Section 301, which is used to counter unfair foreign trade practices.



The problem is that not all of our trade imbalance is due to unfair foreign trade practices. A fair portion is due to self-inflicted structural damage to the US economy, caused by the US govt over many decades.
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 1:56 pm
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
3938 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:57 pm to
Meh, if they can't be imposed, how do they exist? Higher or lower?

How did they begin if no one can impose?

We need to begin to simply stop trading all together on certain necessary goods.

Just understand, the admin will continue down every single road, not covered in this decision, making other countries lose billions and trillions, until each country "offers" a better deal.
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