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re: They have to go back.....wayyyyyyy back
Posted on 1/14/20 at 1:51 pm to Dale51
Posted on 1/14/20 at 1:51 pm to Dale51
quote:Someone asked how I know that coyotes do not warranty an unintercepted crossing, and I answered the question. That point was arguably relevant to the cost issues, so I answered it.
The thread also wasn't about the illegal criminal aliens you personally know, so what is your point supposed to be?
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Posted on 1/14/20 at 1:52 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
No Wall will be started and completed in the time it takes to ride a bus from Jalisco to Nogales. Thus, it makes no sense to compare the two vastly-different sets of underlying facts, when deciding whether it is more efficient to dump deportees in Nogales by bus or in Guadalajara by plane.
This is a nonsense comment.
Both were hypothetical situations.
My position was at least based in the physical realities of a physical barrier.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 1:53 pm to Dale51
quote:We are clearly not understanding one another. Ask me your question in concise, Standard American English, and I will try to answer it.
This is a nonsense comment.
Both were hypothetical situations.
My position was at least based in the physical realities of a physical barrier.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 1:58 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
That point was arguably relevant to the cost issues, so I answered it.
Actually it went more to the fantasy idea of--not cost consistency-- but the ability of these poor, wayfaring strangers, ability to pay that cost repeatedly.
The question was asked how you know the costs are consistent and you provided an answer based on 1 or 2 experiences.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:01 pm to Dale51
quote:Many dozens, but OK. I do not personally know every Mexican who has ever crossed the border. I feel safe in postulating that I know more of them than the majority of posters on this forum, because I live in Texas and because my family has been ranching in Texas since Texas was PART of Mexico.
1 or 2 experiences.
We have multi-generational ties to entire extended families, both those who came here and their families still in Mexico. My niece even briefly dated the grandson of a man who first came to the States to work for my father.
Does that make me an “expert?”. Decide for yourself. But it does mean that I probably have more personal knowledge about the topic than you do.
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:51 pm to SDVTiger
and just because you trumpkins believe everything he says show you aren't and expert at anything.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:56 pm to 56lsu
quote:
56lsu
Another piece of stupid Liberal trash.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:58 pm to saints5021
quote:as a matter of fact I believe they do
Does Mexico have any hard to reach islands? I would parachute them right into there.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:07 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Ask me your question in concise, Standard American English, and I will try to answer it.
I didn't have a question for you. I commented on your claims of ..a wall would increase the frequency of attempts to violate the border, or..repeatedly paying a human smuggler 5k over and over is not problem for these poor, oppressed people yearning to be free.
Can you answer with how you find that to be believable?
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:09 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Many dozens, but OK.
In what social situation do you find yourself in contact with "many dozens" of illegal, criminal aliens in conversations about their criminal activities?
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:11 pm to Dale51
quote:Well, first, I did not say any of that.
I didn't have a question fro you. I commented on your claims of ..a wall would increase the frequency of attempts to violate the border, or..repeatedly paying a human smuggler 5k over and over is not problem for these poor, oppressed people yearning to be free.
Can you answer with how you find that to be believable?
I said that a Wall MIGHT increase the number of second attempts, because more first attempts would likely be foiled.
And I said nothing remotely similar to that nonsense about coyotes. I SAID that the distance south of the border at which we release detainees likely has little effect upon whether they make a second attempt to cross the border, because the marginal cost of a bus ticket is not great. I also questioned whether the cost of flying detainees to the Mexican interior is justified by the slight delay in a second attempt to cross the border.
I honestly cannot decide whether you cannot read or whether you are being intentionally disingenuous.
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:13 pm to 56lsu
quote:
and just because you trumpkins believe everything he says show you aren't and expert at anything.
Begging The Question Fallacy.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:14 pm to 56lsu
quote:
believe everything he says show you aren't and expert at anything.
Teach us more, master.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:20 pm to Dale51
quote:And you CONTINUE to infer things that I never said.
In what social situation do you find yourself in contact with "many dozens" of illegal, criminal aliens in conversations about their criminal activities?
You seem to think that “many dozens” of conversations means “all at once.”. I have been interacting with Mexican citizens for decades.
You seem to think that all my interactions are in social situations. Most are not. If you speak Spanish (which I suspect you do not), in this part of the state you can strike a conversation with a Mexican citizen a dozen times per day. While loading feed. While having a tire repaired. While fixing fence. While shopping at the grocery store. A hundred other scenarios.
The fact that you do not (and likely cannot) engage in conversation with Mexican citizens does not mean that others cannot and do not.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:20 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
you are mistaken. The coyote does not pick you up in Guadalajara. You hook up with him in the border states, and the cost to hire the coyote is the same, regardless of whether you come from around the block or halfway across the country.
There is still a cost component to traveling halfway across the country. Is that negligible?
I would say there is also a psychological deterrent that is not insignificant if you're deported and then dumped deeper in the heart of Mexico vs a few miles from the border.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:21 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I SAID that the distance south of the border at which we release detainees likely has little effect upon whether they make a second attempt to cross the border, because the marginal cost of a bus ticket is not great.
You may not be comprehending what is being said.
Not everything or topic has to have an introductory premise stated..most things that are topically related can be followed by most people.
My point..or implied question..was about the ability to pay for these repeated attempts by dirt poor "immigrants" trying to better their lives by sneaking into the country.
That question is related to your claim that this happens often. The distance to the border is irrelevant.
I don't know if you're just trying to deflect or not.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:28 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
And you CONTINUE to infer things that I never said.
You did not say you have this information based on "many dozens" of interactions with illegal, criminal aliens??
quote:
You seem to think that “many dozens” of conversations means “all at once.”
You're inferring something I never said.
quote:
You seem to think that all my interactions are in social situations. Most are not. If you speak Spanish (which I suspect you do not), in this part of the state you can strike a conversation with a Mexican citizen a dozen times per day.
So...just comments by strangers?
quote:
The fact that you do not (and likely cannot) engage in conversation with Mexican citizens does not mean that others cannot and do not.
This is a Non Sequitur.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:28 pm to Jorts R Us
quote:The cost paid to he coyote to cross the border and get to San Antonio or Houston can vary, but is now usually somewhere in the range of $2k to $5k. As recently as a few years ago, you could get it done for less than $1,000.
There is still a cost component to traveling halfway across the country. Is that negligible?
Compare that to a bus ticket from central Mexico to the border. Between $50 and $100.
quote:that probably depends upon a number of factors. The friend that I mentioned earlier was caught twice trying to cross the border over a period of many years. He is from central Mexico (San Luis Potosi). Both times, he was released in northern Mexico, and both times he traveled home to San Luis to rest up before making a second attempt. For him, being dumped in central Mexico would’ve made the entire affair easier.
I would say there is also a psychological deterrent that is not insignificant if you're deported and then dumped deeper in the heart of Mexico vs a few miles from the border.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:30 pm to Dale51
quote:AGAIN, I never said that.
My point..or implied question..was about the ability to pay for these repeated attempts by dirt poor "immigrants" trying to better their lives by sneaking into the country.
That question is related to your claim that this happens often.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:33 pm to Dale51
quote:The guy that loads your feed several times per week is not a stranger. The guy who fixes a tractor or implement tire a couple of times per month is not a stranger. The lady you see at the grocery store most weeks is not a stranger. The guy who works by your side all day on a fenceline is not a stranger.quote:So...just comments by strangers?
You seem to think that all my interactions are in social situations. Most are not. If you speak Spanish (which I suspect you do not), in this part of the state you can strike a conversation with a Mexican citizen a dozen times per day.
Do you even DO human interaction?
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