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Possumslayer
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re: They have to go back.....wayyyyyyy back
You are friends of many illegal law breakers?


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re: They have to go back.....wayyyyyyy back
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shipping them so far that we reduce the likelihood of another try all the way down to 80%.


I just paid my life savings of 8k to a coyote to get to to the US they shipped me back but I'm gonna get that 8k again and get right back up there



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alphaandomega
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re: They have to go back.....wayyyyyyy back
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Who cares?

They should all be hogtied.




Or have a IA (illegal alien) tattooed to their forehead.


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Would not demand rise, thus driving up the cost?
That is an interesting question.

The number of people making an attempted cross-country crossing would likely decrease if a Wall were built (in favor of tunnel, air or water-based attempts), so demand might decrease in that sense, though re-tries might well increase. Would the net result be more gross attempts, or fewer? I have no idea.


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You are friends of many illegal law breakers?
Without quibbling about your choice of words, I would describe them as acquaintances, in most cases, though I certainly consider one to be a good friend. We have been friends since his first trip north in 1980 with his uncle, when both of us were 16yo. We spent a very hot summer painting tank batteries, fencing oil-well sites and the like, and we have been friends since that time.

He has been back and forth across the border dozens of times, and he has been caught twice. He is a good family man, and his family does not receive any governmental assistance payments. He has never had any criminal law problems whatsoever. I did help one of his sons with a divorce a few years ago.

None of which has ANY bearing upon the wisdom of spending money to fly detainees to Guadalajara, versus dumping them in Nogales or Acuña.
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texashorn
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How many illegals work on your family farm, Hank?


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re: They have to go back.....wayyyyyyy back
But we need these third world problems here for votes, dammit!

Sincerely,

TigerDoc Inc.


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mightyMick
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re: They have to go back.....wayyyyyyy back
There are several more working at my local BoJangles.


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re: They have to go back.....wayyyyyyy back
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Does Mexico have any hard to reach islands?
We could always donate some Pacific Atolls (only slightly used after WWII for a handful of nuke tests) to help the cause.


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Dale51
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Or have a IA (illegal alien) tattooed to their forehead.


Indelible purple dye works..at least thats what I heard.


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Dale51
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re: They have to go back.....wayyyyyyy back
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so demand might decrease in that sense, though re-tries might well increase.


A wall would increase the number of retries??
Can you expand on that concept?


MisslePig
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AggieHank86


Hey! I know illegal aliens as well...and they'll tell you. Getting deported sucks. The further the journey the harder it is.

And...what your friend must not have mentioned but mine seem to always talk about...at certain popular times to travel these routes to the border...IT DOES get expensive and sometimes you have to wait longer.

If you flooded them there, the travel is longer, more expensive and harder to obtain. That's the entire point

Keep using your feelings in this post and your halfbaked logic. There is NO easy way into the US illegaly. It's expensive and hard. The harder and more expensive you make it...well, I'll let you wet paper bag argue your way out of this other point first.


AggieHank86
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A wall would increase the number of retries??
Can you expand on that concept?
I said MIGHT.

Obviously, there exists no empirical data on this point, but I would think that a person who makes one crossing attempt at a border with a Wall would be willing to make a second attempt as well, if caught on the first attempt.

If more people are caught in their first attempt BECAUSE a Wall exists, it stands to reason that the number needing to MAKE a second attempt would be higher than if no Wall existed and thus more first attempts were successful. Thus the peoportionate number of second attempts would be higher.

Would that proportionate-increase give rise to a larger gross number of second attempts? I do not know .. hence “might.”


Possumslayer
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re: They have to go back.....wayyyyyyy back
Be fair to assume you have helped them break the law..


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Dale51
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re: They have to go back.....wayyyyyyy back
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I said MIGHT.



Fair enough. That said, what situations ran thru your head that led you to that conclusion?


AggieHank86
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And...what your friend must not have mentioned but mine seem to always talk about...at certain popular times to travel these routes to the border...IT DOES get expensive and sometimes you have to wait longer.
Yes, if they travel at or near Christmas (when most migrant workers do go home), it will be more crowded and more expensive. Perhaps there is some minuscule relevance there, but I don’t see it.
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If you flooded them there, the travel is longer, more expensive and harder to obtain. That's the entire point
Again, you point is somewhat opaque, but you SEEM to be arguing that dumping all deportees in one city (Guadalajara) will result in increased demand for bus tickets out of Guadalajara .. causing the cost of those tickets to rise and thus making the entire undertaking prohibitively-expensive.

There are too many holes in that analysis to bother with a substantive response.
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There is NO easy way into the US illegaly. It's expensive and hard. The harder and more expensive you make it...well, I'll let you wet paper bag argue your way out of this other point first.
I am still waiting for the first post in which anyone makes a coherent argument that dumping deportees a few hundred miles further into Mexico will decrease second attempts in a number adequate to justify the increased cost.


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Dale51
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re: They have to go back.....wayyyyyyy back
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Obviously, there exists no empirical data on this point, but I would think that a person who makes one crossing attempt at a border with a Wall would be willing to make a second attempt as well, if caught on the first attempt.



Thats the wrong comparison. The context was wall/no wall.


AggieHank86
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I said MIGHT.
Fair enough. That said, what situations ran thru your head that led you to that conclusion?
Again,, this thread was not about the Wall. I did not post about the Wall.

Once the issue was raised, I responded to a question that raised an interesting question about what affect the Wall might have upon second tries. I outlined my analysis in the response to that post.


Dale51
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Again,, this thread was not about the Wall. I did not post about the Wall.


The thread also wasn't about the illegal criminal aliens you personally know, so what is your point supposed to be?


AggieHank86
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Thats the wrong comparison. The context was wall/no wall.
So, you are asking that I compare apples to oranges.

I will be honest, your question is adequately-cryptic that it makes no sense to me. No Wall will be started and completed in the time it takes to ride a bus from Jalisco to Nogales. Thus, it makes no sense to compare the two vastly-different sets of underlying facts, when deciding whether it is more efficient to dump deportees in Nogales by bus or in Guadalajara by plane.


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