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SDVTiger
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re: They have to go back.....wayyyyyyy back
you have no idea what you are babbling about

Just because you give food and water to the illegals as they cross doesnt make you some expert on coyote systems


AggieHank86
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re: They have to go back.....wayyyyyyy back
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Of course. And that cost paid to the coyote is the same, regardless of whether you start your journey in Guadalajara or five miles from downtown Juarzez.
Doesn't that ruin the whole "We're just poor wayfaring strangers traveling thru this world of woe" shtick?
Well, I have never made that argument, so I won’t quarrel with you.

They save money to go home and see family every year or two, just like you save for whatever you save for. They have greater net earnings after that expenditure than they would have had working in Mexico, which is why they come here to work.


Jbird
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They save money to go home and see family every year or two, just like you save for whatever you save for. They have greater net earnings after that expenditure than they would have had working in Mexico, which is why they come here to work.
That's nice.


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AggieHank86
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I have four in that group
Now there's a fricking shocker.
If you live in Texas, you interact with Mexican citizens. If you ranch, you interact with them a lot. I don’t live in Maine.


Jbird
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If you live in Texas, you interact with Mexican citizens. If you ranch, you interact with them a lot. I don’t live in Maine.
Do they damage your property as they peacefully transition to a greater crime free life?


Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Well, I have never made that argument,


I never claimed you did. I was just pointing out a reality that would need clarification in order for your claim to make sense.

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They save money to go home and see family every year or two,


Some do, some don't.

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They have greater net earnings after that expenditure than they would have had working in Mexico,


This is a stretch at best. That expenditure would not be needed if the stayed home in the first place. You're just claiming that they have that extra money to blow on a vacation back home.
Either way...they have the money and the whole "poor wayfaring stranger" shtick is bogus.
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AggieHank86
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Do they damage your property as they peacefully transition to a greater crime free life?
We do not ranch the lease out in West Texas any more, so I cannot give a “present tense” answer. Back then, the “worker” crossers did not. Generally, the coyotes transport them further into Texas than our ranch, but we did see a few with some regularity. The worst they did was drink some water from a windmill tank or occasionally sleep on the porch of a hunting shack.

The drug smugglers were a different story. They generally cut fences for their donkey trains to cross, but usually in the same places every time and usually near the internal ranch roads. You just checked the usual spots when you were checking the windmills.
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Jbird
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re: They have to go back.....wayyyyyyy back
That's nice, my buddies brother lives in Arizona, you can't go to his ranch unannounced after sundown, it's a little too hairy.


AggieHank86
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That's nice, my buddies brother lives in Arizona, you can't go to his ranch unannounced after sundown, it's a little too hairy.
As I understand it, the Arizona sector has lots more drug smuggling because the country is less rough, and (again) those folks are a completely different story.

Hell, I would not have wanted to be driving around the ranch roads in the middle of the night on our place, either ... even if we had few drug trains than Arizona. But that has little relevance to the OP or to the question of whether it is cost-effective to fly captured migrants down to Guadalajara.


Dale51
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Hell, I would not have wanted to be driving around the ranch roads in the middle of the night on our place, either


That says a lot.


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AggieHank86
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That says a lot.
Yep.

It says that the pointless drug war makes border regions more dangerous.


roadGator
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Why didn’t you just gate their path?
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Jbird
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It says that the pointless drug war makes border regions more dangerous.
Or a wide open border exposes U.S. citizens to violence and left.


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HubbaBubba
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"Out you go!"


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AggieHank86
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The drug smugglers ... generally cut fences for their donkey trains to cross, but usually in the same places every time and usually near the internal ranch roads. You just checked the usual spots when you were checking the windmills.
Why didn’t you just gate their path?
The drug trains avoid gates, on the assumption that BP or DEA put motion or heat sensors on or near gates.

The BP/DEA did use them, but not as much as the drug runners thought.
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Dale51
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It says that the pointless drug war makes border regions more dangerous.


Uh-Huh...
Mexico is no longer the big producer of pot with so many legal growers in the states.

Which other drugs should remain illegal..meth, crack, bathtub manufactured designer drugs??


AggieHank86
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Which other drugs should remain illegal..meth, crack, bathtub manufactured designer drugs??
Let’s not derail. Start a thread.


Jbird
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Let’s not derail. Start a thread.
Says the guy that brought up the unnecessary war on drugs.


AggieHank86
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Says the guy that brought up the unnecessary war on drugs.
Typical.

Someone argued that the border is dangerous, and I expressed my view as to why that is the case. And you call that aa derail.


Jbird
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And you call that aa derail.
Well it wasn't until he asked you a question on the subject you brought forth.


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