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re: These memes aged well (Net Neutrality pearl clutchers call out thread)
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:16 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:16 pm to CptBengal
quote:Either way, it was comical. As if somehow, tech fields were immune to economic realities.
he doesnt even code. He does some basic copypasta scripting from what i gather.
But hey. The dude couldn't even conceptualize how mopeds......in fact..........are in competition with cars.
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Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:16 pm to MF Doom
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So you think Verizon lobbied against their own interest?
Yes. Think critically.
They know market conditions already favor them and stack the odds against the little guy. Further government regulation cements their position, regardless of whether market conditions shift down the road (remember government programs always expand, they never reduce their scope).
As a bonus, lobbying for N/N endears them to their clientele with whom they align politically and buys them optics points with folks who don't truly understand what N/N was about. They gain customer loyalty and political points out of the deal in a time when most big corporate players are left-leaning and virtue signal about their politics at every opportunity.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:17 pm to ShortyRob
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And, the dude could NOT conceptualize that competition doesn't have to be equal to influence the market.
It was a sight.
oh yeah, that was great. it isnt competition unless they're exactly EQUAL!
nobody will ever compete, it;s all closed...muh gubment!
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:19 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
But hey. The dude couldn't even conceptualize how mopeds......in fact..........are in competition with cars.
it was bicycles and walking that he just went ape over.
I remember because i told him I commute on a bicycle and he went bananas.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:19 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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They know market conditions already favor them and stack the odds against the little guy. Further government regulation cements their position, regardless of whether market conditions shift down the road (remember government programs always expand, they never reduce their scope).
As a bonus, lobbying for N/N endears them to their clientele with whom they align politically and buys them optics points with folks who don't truly understand what N/N was about. They gain customer loyalty and political points out of the deal in a time when most big corporate players are left-leaning and virtue signal about their politics at every opportunity.
It's honestly simpler than that.
While competition absolutely breeds the possibility that you will lose......it also breeds the possibility that you will be the winner.
Maybe Verizon doesn't see itself as the next Sears to WalMart. Maybe it sees itself as being capable of being WalMart. Maybe it sees govt regulation as a constriction upon that.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:21 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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A year later and still so salty.
Salty? You made a fool of yourself
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:22 pm to CptBengal
quote:I recall telling him that "of course mopeds compete with cars"(really all transportation does)
oh yeah, that was great. it isnt competition unless they're exactly EQUAL!
Cars set a ceiling on how expensive mopeds can really get before they become dumb to buy.
Mopeds, on the other hand, happily fill the gap were cars to get to the point that a person can't afford them.
Potatoes compete with steak.
Watermelon competes with Apples.
Timex competes with Rolex.
These people don't comprehend competition AT frickING ALL!!!!
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:22 pm to ShortyRob
If an entity reaches 'Big Fish' status under the status quo of government regulation, it doesn't really have any incentive to demand a change in the status quo, even if there's a possibility changing it will make it better for them, or a great likelihood that not much will change in reality.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:23 pm to ShortyRob
Plausible.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:24 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Meh. If you could have told Sam Walton that you could basically lock in his competitive position in 1995, and he took that deal.......he'd have been an idiot.
If an entity reaches 'Big Fish' status under the status quo of government regulation, it doesn't really have any incentive to demand a change in the status quo, even if there's a possibility changing it will make it better for them, or a great likelihood that not much will change in reality.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:25 pm to MF Doom
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So you think Verizon lobbied against their own interest?
I think that they reasonably think they will beat anything that comes down the road and don’t want to pay for said regulatory department. No one WANTS the government all up in their business. However the only people who can overcome that are the ones that can pay to make the regulators go away.
Look at Ma Bell. They operated as a monopoly of telecommunications at the wired level but also essentially owned every single phone in the US under this incredible title II. Look at medicine. As the government gets more and more involved hospitals have become bigger and bigger conglomerates and the local small independent hospitals and practitioners are dying. Why? They can pay 50-100 staffers to deal with the government.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:27 pm to Adam Banks
quote:Yep.
As the government gets more and more involved hospitals have become bigger and bigger conglomerates and the local small independent hospitals and practitioners are dying. Why? They can pay 50-100 staffers to deal with the government.
Government regulation impacts profitability in real terms. Sure. It might cement my top dog status. But I'm still spending a shite ton of money that contributes not a damned thing to my bottom line.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:37 pm to ShortyRob
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Meh. If you could have told Sam Walton that you could basically lock in his competitive position in 1995, and he took that deal.......he'd have been an idiot.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating the long term wisdom of that approach. Just that it's what seems to drive many organizations in many industries, who seem to be happily operating under the umbrella of any number of government regulations that may be regulating their industries today.
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:42 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating the long term wisdom of that approach. Just that it's what seems to drive many organizations in many industries, who seem to be happily operating under the umbrella of any number of government regulations that may be regulating their industries today.
And, to be fair, Verizon likely has the good sense to know that govt regulation is often the key to controlling an industry............AND.........the dogs that wanted to the regulation were BIGGER than them.
That's why I laughed at the NN people who talked about how I should base my view on the opposite of what Verizon(the evil corp) wants.
Um. Google has nearly double the market value of Verizon and wants govt regulation! Ya don't suppose they had a plan to USE that to enter Verizon's market and just basically become Verizon!
Oh, but Google would be nice if they gained control!
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:46 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:
Holy shite federalism! Trump wins again!
Womp womp the feds are trying block states from enacting their own net neutrality laws
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:48 pm to bmy
quote:Like I said. 20 years from now, you're still not going to admit that your dire predictions that didn't come true were wrong. So, your presence here is irrelevant.
Womp womp the feds are trying block states from enacting their own net neutrality laws
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:55 pm to ShortyRob
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He wants the next 10 pages to be about Bush and Wall Street.
No dumbass. The undercurrent in this thread is that government regulation is categorically a bogeyman.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 2:02 pm to texridder
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No dumbass. The undercurrent in this thread is that government regulation is categorically a bogeyman.
Oh, you want me to ride your derail sooooooo bad.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 2:09 pm to ShortyRob
He's lowkey pissed that invoking the name "Bush" didn't work out as planned 
Posted on 12/14/18 at 2:10 pm to ShortyRob
I didn't make any dire predictions though
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