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re: These ex military mass killers make up a large portion of the most notorious killers.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 6:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 9/29/25 at 6:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:What’s causing non-vets to snap at over double the rate? Even if someone wanted to make the ‘demographic’ argument (not saying you would), black people are over-represented in the military and the veteran community. And if the next move is to claim ‘the kind of black people who join the military aren’t the kind who commit mass shootings,’ that’s just more proof against the bullshite premise of this whole thread.
No, ones that snap.
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Posted on 9/29/25 at 6:35 pm to northshorebamaman
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What’s causing non-vets to snap at over double the rate?
Same thing. Most humans werent wired for corporate cubicle work.
You seem to be taking this for something it isnt, like youre trying hard to be offended.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 9/29/25 at 6:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Well, even if I am, I’m more offended by the morons in this thread who lack the logical reasoning ability to realize the entire premise was idiotic to begin with, and just used it as an excuse to take cheap shots at vets. If I sounded offended by anything you said, that wasn’t the case, and I apologize.
You seem to be taking this for something it isnt, like youre trying hard to be offended.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 9/29/25 at 6:44 pm to northshorebamaman
Its all good. I was speaking specifically about the ones from a military background.
Civilians have always been bat shite crazy and are taking a turn for the worse. I'm kind of surprised we dont see more people snapping.
Civilians have always been bat shite crazy and are taking a turn for the worse. I'm kind of surprised we dont see more people snapping.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 6:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 9/29/25 at 7:13 pm to Usmc
quote:
Thank you
One last nugget for the brain trust:
Among vets over the same period:
Medal of Honor: 1 in 143k
Mass Shooter: 1 in 4.4MM
In that 60-year span, a service member was about 30 times more likely to earn the Medal of Honor than to become a mass shooter.
If 1 in 4.4MM makes us all basement-dwelling losers then surely 1 in 143k makes us all heros.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 7:16 pm to NorthTiger
That’s 11 people. Is that a majority of famous mass murderers? I don’t know? Seems like not that many to go back to back 55+ years.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 9/29/25 at 7:24 pm to NorthTiger
"North Tiger":- All the losers who believed they could become an anime woman, but after their super-sacred chant and spinning around in circles three times didnt work, but they remained a reddit loser and then decided to shoot someone.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 8:08 pm to AUstar
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McVeigh never saw combat and didn't have PTSD. He was ideologically driven and not "crazy."
McVeigh served in Desert Storm and was a gunner in a Bradley Fighting Vehicle. McVeigh was awarded a Bronze Star and CIB.
BS can be awarded meritoriously but it is my understanding that the Army only awards a CIB to soldiers who have seen combat. Perhaps one of our Army brethren can clarify.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 8:24 pm to scrooster
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But even with the list above, you're talking about 0.000001% of all Vets developing these kind of pathologies
As pointed out by others above, a minuscule number of vets suffering from PTSD turn into mass murderers. Yet the rate of suicide by veterans suffering from PTSD — and particularly those with brain injuries — is exponentially higher than the suicide rate of civilians.
We need to do better for our vets. As nugget has suggested, ending needless wars is a logical place to start.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 8:46 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Army only awards a CIB to soldiers who have seen combat.
quote:
The Combat Infantryman Badge (CIB) is a U.S. Army award for infantry soldiers and Special Forces personnel who have been in active ground combat, a prestigious symbol of their direct involvement in fighting and surviving enemy engagements. Established in 1943 to recognize the dangerous and difficult work of infantry units, the CIB signifies a soldier's proficiency and valor in close-quarters, direct-fire combat. To earn it, a soldier must be an infantry or Special Forces soldier (colonel and below) performing duties in a unit engaged in active ground combat. The badge is a silver-and-enamel, rifle-and-wreath design that includes stars on the wreath for subsequent awards.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 9:05 pm to northshorebamaman
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In that 60-year span, a service member was about 30 times more likely to earn the Medal of Honor than to become a mass shooter.
Nice work. OP can take this and shove it in his pie hole.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 9:33 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Yet the rate of suicide by veterans suffering from PTSD — and particularly those with brain injuries — is exponentially higher than the suicide rate of civilians.
I've had more than a few guys I served with check out ... so yes, I totally agree and this administration is stepping up to the plate when it comes to helping Vets in need. I'm hearing a lot of good things.
One major thing, imho, is that this administration's VA was ordered to quit handing out opioids like candy.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 9:56 pm to NorthTiger
quote:
Charles Joseph Whitman - UT
tower shooting, 1966 — killed 17
He had a brain tumor that was pressing on a part of the brain that controls impulses and fight or flight responses. His psychosis came on suddenly and he sought medical help from physicians and psychiatrists but they mostly blew him off as another hot head struggling to cope in life. In his suicide note he specifically requested they autopsy his brain and when they did they found the tumor (confirming his suspicions that something had gone biologically wrong in his head).
Posted on 9/29/25 at 10:00 pm to NorthTiger
quote:
Charles Joseph Whitman - UT
tower shooting, 1966 — killed 17
Didn't they find out he had a brain tumor or something that affected his sanity?
Posted on 9/29/25 at 10:05 pm to NorthTiger
Was Janet Reno ex military? She was who radicalized McVeigh after she torched and burned people alive
Posted on 9/29/25 at 10:11 pm to NorthTiger
quote:We don't. But this list isn’t a good example. Suicides and untreated depression would be better, if not as sensational, list
We don’t do enough to help troubled Vets.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:10 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:Agreed. Given the various risk factors for multiple pathologies associated with military service and the fact that military service often involves rifle training and desensitization to combat, the reality that vets are less than half as likely to commit a mass shooting as non-vets means OP’s list isn’t an indictment of vets…
As pointed out by others above, a minuscule number of vets suffering from PTSD turn into mass murderers. Yet the rate of suicide by veterans suffering from PTSD — and particularly those with brain injuries — is exponentially higher than the suicide rate of civilians.
…it’s solid fricking proof of the quality of the American recruit relative to the population it draws from (ie. dumb fricks like the op and privateer 2007 that think the state school BBA's their parents all but forced on them means they're crushing life), and a direct bitch slap to anyone here who can’t perform basic logic yet can’t wait to shite on them.
If OP and his ilk were actually concerned about the mental help vets need, they would have started a thread on the appalling suicide rate.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 1:44 am
Posted on 9/30/25 at 6:15 am to scrooster
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I've had more than a few guys I served with check out ...
And as alarming as the elevated suicide rate is among combat veterans compared to the general population, these statistics do not include veterans who self-medicate through alcohol and drug use.
Substance-Abuse Disorder — and all the other forms of self harm associated with addiction — is remarkably higher among veterans suffering from PTSD than such rates in the general population.
Anyone delving into the extent of this crisis will be utterly sickened.
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