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re: These ex military mass killers make up a large portion of the most notorious killers.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 6:18 pm to NorthTiger
Posted on 9/28/25 at 6:18 pm to NorthTiger
Now do non veterans
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 6:33 pm to NorthTiger
quote:He had a brain tumor that many believe led to his actions.
Charles Joseph Whitman
Posted on 9/28/25 at 6:42 pm to NorthTiger
You left off two marines that were truly sadistic. Leonard Lake and Charles Ng.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 6:55 pm to NorthTiger
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Charles Joseph Whitman - UT
tower shooting, 1966 — killed 17
John Allen Muhammad (Racially Motivated) -
“Beltway Sniper” / D.C. sniper attacks (2002) — at least 10 killed
Devin Patrick Kelley
Sutherland Springs church shooting (2017) — 26 killed
Mark Essex — (Mark James Robert Essex (August 12, 1949 – January 7, 1973) was an American serial sniper and black nationalist known as the "New Orleans Sniper") U.S. Navy; New Orleans sniper attacks, killed 9 (1972–73).
Timothy McVeigh (motivated by Ruby Ridge and Waco) — Oklahoma City bombing (1995), killed 168
Nidel Hasan (Islamic extremists radicalized on FB) — Fort Hood shooting (2009), 13 killed
Omar Mateen — Killed 49 at Pulse nightclub, Orlando (2016).
Esteban Santiago — Fort Lauderdale airport shooting (2017), killed 5
Devin Kelley — Sutherland Springs church (2017), killed 26
Aaron Alexis — U.S. Navy reservist; Washington Navy Yard shooting (2013)
Today’s shooter in Michigan.
... and the ex-Marine in NC yesterday.
I'm with you on Vets being ignored all too often. It's been happening in this country since we became a country .... happens in all countries quite honestly and has for millenia.
But even with the list above, you're talking about 0.000001% of all Vets developing these kind of pathologies. That's miniscule compared to the percentages of murders and genocide committed by socialists/communists/DEMONcRATS.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 9/28/25 at 7:07 pm to NorthTiger
NC shooter last night was also 40 yo marine
And a demonstrable whack nut
And a demonstrable whack nut
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:32 pm to burger bearcat
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The absence of God will make anyone turn into a psychopathic killer under the right circumstances.
I know our sterile, over clinical, secular culture doesn’t want to ever talk about spiritual things or the presence of good or evil.
I’ve tried having conversations with atheists about this, and I can never get a straight answer out of them when I ask them, “in a total vacuum, what is the actual difference between human being and a fly?” They dance around it, but never give a straight answer.
Yet when I ask them to consider that human beings have souls, they won’t go there.
Religion / belief in god is probably the #1 cause of violence in history.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:33 pm to NorthTiger
Recruit and train killers, be surprised when you get killers.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:37 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Recruit and train killers, be surprised when you get killers.
90% of the military are office jobs sometimes done out of a tent.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:56 pm to NorthTiger
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These ex military mass killers make up a large portion of the most notorious killers.
Now do the part where you list how many mass killers are using prescription drugs for mental health reasons.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:50 pm to NorthTiger
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Mark Essex — U.S. Navy; New Orleans sniper attacks, killed 9 (1972–73)
He wasn't mentally ill in the traditional sense. He was actually quite a normal kid growing up, but became radically anti-white while serving time in the Navy. He really wasn't nuts; he just wanted to kill whitey. Thank God that USMC pilot stole the chopper that helped take Essex out.
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Essex is believed to have specifically sought to kill white people and police officers due to racism he had previously experienced while enlisted in the Navy. His increasingly extremist anti-police, black supremacist, and anti-white views are believed to have solidified following a November 1972 violent clash between Baton Rouge sheriff's deputies and student civil rights demonstrators, during which two young black demonstrators were shot and killed.
I wonder if he was bothered by the Baton Rouge riot in January 1972 caused by the Nation of Islam that ended up with two white Sheriff's Deputies dead and a white TV reporter with permanent brain damage.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:52 pm to scrooster
You can add "racially motivated" to Mark David Essex.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 3:04 pm to Red_and_black
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Wow, I notice many have Muzzy names.
For the record, "John Allen Muhammed" was born John Allen Williams (on NYE, in Baton Rouge, 1960) and enlisted in the Louisiana Army National Guard under that name in 1978 and when he transferred to the Regular Army in 1985. He did not join the Nation of Islam until 1987 and did not change his name until 2001, approximately 7 years after he left the Army.
Hope this helps.
Hasan was born here (Arlington, VA) of Palestinian parents.
For the OP, Mateen did not serve in the U.S. military.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 5:27 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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You can add "racially motivated" to Mark David Essex.
Good catch.
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Mark James Robert Essex (August 12, 1949 – January 7, 1973) was an American serial sniper and black nationalist known as the "New Orleans Sniper"
Posted on 9/29/25 at 5:44 pm to NorthTiger
What a bullshite thread. I'm pretty awful at math so I had chatgpt crunch the numbers for me. Result:
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From 1966–2016, about 9 mass shooters had military service. In that same span there were roughly 140 mass shooters overall, so over 130 were non-veterans.
Put against the population, the difference becomes clear. Roughly 40 million Americans served in the military during those decades, compared to about 250 million non-veterans. That means:
Veterans: 9 ÷ 40,000,000 = 1 in 4.4 million
Non-veterans: 131 ÷ 250,000,000 = 1 in 1.9 million
So while veterans appear in some high-profile cases, they are not overrepresented. In fact, non-veterans commit mass shootings at more than double the per-capita rate.
The idea that military service drives mass shootings just doesn’t hold up — veterans are statistically less likely to be perpetrators than civilians.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 5:56 pm to northshorebamaman
The epidemic with our Iraq/Afghan vets isn't violence against others. Its violence against themselves. We've had thousands commit suicide. That's the crisis. Our wonderful VA wasn't there for these guys when they needed it the most.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 6:15 pm to Privateer 2007
quote:Brilliant analysis, champ. Fewer than a dozen out of forty million is your supporting evidence that ‘the military is a magnet for basement-dwelling losers?’ And since the timeline covers 60 years, what does ‘nowadays’ even have to do with it?
I respect the military, but nowadays it's a magnet for a decent number of losers. Lost souls. Kids who have no option to get out of moms basement.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 6:16 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I dont think its the military, but its the having to adapt to civilian life that creates the dysfunction.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 6:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:The 'dysfunction' of being less than half as likely to commit a mass shooting as non-vets?
I dont think its the military, but its the having to adapt to civilian life that creates the dysfunction.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 6:23 pm to northshorebamaman
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The 'dysfunction' of being less than half as likely to commit a mass shooting as non-vets?
No, ones that snap.
I knew one.
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