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re: There have been 295 drone strikes between Obama and Trump
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:22 am to Bison
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:22 am to Bison
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Chinese Jack Ma once said, “ america has spent, 13 trillon in wars in the last 30 years, what if they have invest that money in their own people? ”
Is he assuming zero ROI?
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Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:24 am to ShortyRob
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They are definitely acts of war
Whereas planning and directing attacks against US soil are acts of peace and love.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:25 am to SCLibertarian
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Ask the Yemeni villagers whose homes have been razed and whose family and friends have been blown to bits with our drones
Thanks Obama.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:26 am to beerJeep
quote:Obama droned the isht outta the ME. Including targeting american citizens.
If past presidents had access to them, they would have used them as well.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:30 am to Gray Tiger
quote:oh I agree with you. I'm just making fun of the left hand ringing
Whereas planning and directing attacks against US soil are acts of peace and love
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:31 am to Bison
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That’s how World War One was started.
Another nonsensical and totally historically incorrect talking point.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:32 am to ShortyRob
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That's your left today people.
Left = Filth
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:40 am to ShortyRob
quote:The distinction between a combat drone and a cruise missile is a fine one ... more one of scale than nature.quote:Honestly I suspect that if Reagan had had drones he would have used them against Libya
IMO, Americans have accepted drone strikes as something lesser than traditional acts of war when the target is a relatively nationless, ideological threat like Islamic terrorism
Drones just allow us to do what we would have done with fighter jets without having to put pilots in harm's way
We have been using cruise missiles to achieve similar ends for a very long time.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:43 am to 9th life
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I shouldn't have commented at all.
This
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:45 am to ShortyRob
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There have been 295 drone strikes between Obama and Trump
How many under Obama and how many under Trump? Also, how many civilians and American citizens killed under each?
This post was edited on 1/4/20 at 8:47 am
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:49 am to SCLibertarian
quote:They are in a perpetual state of radicalization. It is all their political and religious leaders have.
radicalize a population
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:57 am to Wolfhound45
quote:SCL is speaking in broader terms than the current scenario. His point is that drone strikes are painless to Americans, because none of our folks are put at risk. Thus, the lure to use them is greater.quote:They are in a perpetual state of radicalization. It is all their political and religious leaders have.
radicalize a population
On the receiving end, however, the effect of each class of strike is essentially the same.
Think back to Serbia. Hell, you were probably involved in that conflict (TFYS).
Serbia Christians would have been no less radicalized if we droned their apartment buildings and collateral-kill a bad guy’s neighbor than are Yemeni Muslims when we drone their villages and collateral-kill their goats.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:04 am to AggieHank86
Wolf's point is that they aren't going to play nice with us if we leave them alone, and he's absolutely correct.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:06 am to DisplacedBuckeye
And I agree with that proposition.
Both Wolf and SCL are bright posters, and each of them raises a valid concern.
Both Wolf and SCL are bright posters, and each of them raises a valid concern.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:07 am to SCLibertarian
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Ask the Yemeni villagers whose homes have been razed and whose family and friends have been blown to bits with our drones whether or not this is war. We see drones as ways to avoid combat and troop deployments, but I see our reliance on them as an easy way to radicalize a population that would otherwise be indifferent to America.
We definitely should have been more careful in Yemen but let's not forget the Cole bombers came from Yemen and Yemen has probably been the hottest bed of terrorists in the world, so they are definitely not indifferent to us.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:19 am to AggieHank86
Their political leadership is not inclined to have a meaningful dialogue with us. And fortunately this was a very well executed mission with little to no collateral damage (not the norm). I am not concerned in the least bit that the Iranian government is outraged. They are in a perpetual state of outrage. And their people are (in my opinion) tuned out to this faux indignation. A win-win considering how this particular individual introduced weapons, fighters and technology into the war in Iraq that dramatically increased our casualties and the overall suffering of the Iraqi people. His demise is long overdue.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:26 am to Wolfhound45
As to this operation, I am in complete agreement with you. On Day One, I posted a “Good Trump.”
But as to the broader issue, I do share some of SCL’s concerns. The bloodless nature of a drone strike (from the perspective of the aggressor) does give rise to a temptation to use them perhaps more often thean would be wise.
But as to the broader issue, I do share some of SCL’s concerns. The bloodless nature of a drone strike (from the perspective of the aggressor) does give rise to a temptation to use them perhaps more often thean would be wise.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:27 am to Bison
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You’re ignoring the fact that the target of the drown strike was a high ranking national official. Terrorist or not
Let's not simplify things here that don't need simplifying just because he wore a nice uniform and was part of an organized military. Actions have consequences. We didn't kill him in downtown Tehran, he flew into a warzone and got into a car with his right hand man in charge of the embassy attack. And I'm sure there are even more electronic communications further justifying our actions.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:32 am to ShortyRob
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There have been 295 drone strikes between Obama and Trump
So, Trumpkins were bragging about how tough Trump is and how weak Obama was.
Now you're refuting that by showing how many drone strikes Obama called for.
Trumpkins are just as hypocritical as never Trumpers.
Fact.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:34 am to BayouBlitz
Obama was droning US citizens that lived abroad without due process. Trump droned the leader of a terrorist group. One is tough, the other is illegal.
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